The TRUTH about why we are being forced into EVs…it’s about to go horribly wrong ! | 4K

Who is driving the relocate to ? In this video I tell the truth about EU 2030 ZEV mandate, talk about the numbers and concern just how it is going to work. I worry that a casualty of the required will be several of the recognized vehicle manufacturers. Intriguing but scary times!

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92 responses to “The TRUTH about why we are being forced into EVs…it’s about to go horribly wrong ! | 4K”

  1. @M_IkeLeBlanc Avatar
    @M_IkeLeBlanc

    The move should be to hybrids first until battery technology and the charging infrastructure is matured.

    Keep in mind that the politicians who force these mandates are never affected by their mandates.

    Fully ready to translate over to EV’s when they’re perfected.

    Right now, you’re buying a laptop in 1995.

    1. @kobbetop Avatar
      @kobbetop

      Exactly, the industry and the market could make this happen all of its own. But they are so locked in the idea that EV’s are the only solution.

    2. @sandmehlig Avatar
      @sandmehlig

      “The first-generation Prius was launched in October 1997 as the world’s first mass-produced hybrid passenger vehicle.”

    3. @SDK2006b Avatar
      @SDK2006b

      My 300 mile (real world range) EV is easily enough for me and the majority of people in the UK.
      The only tangible improvement through new tech will be reduced battery weight, which doesn’t actually benefit anyone, except those who want to use EV’s on race tracks

    4. @Matnrach2-mf9qr Avatar
      @Matnrach2-mf9qr

      @@SDK2006b Not for everybody though. I assume you can charge at home unlike a large proportion of people

    5. @sandmehlig Avatar
      @sandmehlig

      @@Matnrach2-mf9qr Most people drive under 300 miles a week for at least 40 weeks in a year.

  2. @schalkvandermerwe3838 Avatar
    @schalkvandermerwe3838

    But do policy makers listen to the people? I think not.
    Who asked for this in all truth? When do policy makers do what people ask and when do they simply do something to appear ‘cool’ and ‘trendy’? I think the latter is massive.

    1. @monacoprince398 Avatar
      @monacoprince398

      MPs we vote for have no say about major policies. They are told what policy to implement.

    2. @jamesfoote8916 Avatar
      @jamesfoote8916

      As well as as the above comment we vote for someone to do there best for us NOT to do what you want as an individual and this is a very important distinction and why the people say they don’t do what we want. Not true.

  3. @Nick_Smith1970 Avatar
    @Nick_Smith1970

    Regarding depreciation, I bought a 1 yr old BMW 335d for £28k, back in 2016. It retailed at £55k new. So it lost £27k in the first year. Please tell me how that differs from my BMW i4, that cost £57k new, and is now worth £34k, 20 months on? The i4 has lost less, over more time.

    1. @15bit62 Avatar
      @15bit62

      Depreciation is a pretty simple supply and demand issue. In the UK especially, there is low demand in the used market because of a societal scepticism to the technology. Plus, most of the used EVs are company cars, and car models that had big fleet purchases have always had high depreciation. That is made even worse when you throw in the scepticism.
      For context though, here in Norway EVs don’t depreciate any faster than ICE cars. There is a demand in the used market for them, so prices hold up.

    2. @olirc Avatar
      @olirc

      Must be bogus then… 🙄

    3. @NomadJRG Avatar
      @NomadJRG

      Depreciation used to be massive on new cars prior to covid. Since covid things have changed massively, used car prices for non-evs are much stronger. For your example a new m340d at £54k can be had for £45k at 1 year 10k miles. Only £10k lost in 1 year, if you account for the 20% VAT the car is worth the same as new. Same for a 911 Carerra 4s £130k new £115k 1 year old. Can’t say the same for a i4 or taycan.

    4. @stu101 Avatar
      @stu101

      Second hand car dealers are also reluctant to buy EV’s for their stock, as demand is low and the risk is high which also impacts on second hand prices.

  4. @adrianhendy Avatar
    @adrianhendy

    My wife is disabled. EVs are useless for her, she cannot lift and use the cable for home charging and cannot use the charging point outside because they are physically too high. We cannot have a home charger, it is forbidden to have one. Until these massive issues are changed we are stuck

    1. @clarkwgriswold157 Avatar
      @clarkwgriswold157

      @@Wdf-76totally different wdf. I’ve got an EV and I can see some of the chargers would be a huge issue to somebody with physical disabilities. My advice to the op would be to look at different chargers. I find some are much easier than others.

    2. @DavidJohnston58 Avatar
      @DavidJohnston58

      ​​​@@Wdf-76 if pumps had same weight hoses as the latest chargers it would be same problem.

      I have never struggled with a pump.

      Until earlier this year the only problem with using available chargers I had was with Ionity.

      Now most other companies here on island of Ireland are putting cables on that I and many other disabled people just cannot manage.

      One user in a wheelchair tipped over trying to manage the heavier cable, thankfully his wife caught the chair and prevented injury.

      And yet Tesla can put in chargers with fast charging and have much lighter, easily managed cable.

      Problem there though is only one Tesla Supercharger site in our entire region and they aren’t open to others.

    3. @adrianhendy Avatar
      @adrianhendy

      @@Wdf-76 don’t be silly – I can fill it up for her and get 500 miles range in a couple of minutes. Coupled with no home charging is the issue, it is a combination of things.

    4. @adrianhendy Avatar
      @adrianhendy

      @@clarkwgriswold157 here in the UK it is simple things like the screens are often too high for her. She can’t stand unaided for any length of time. It’s not just the cable, it is the whole shebang. The cable, the time that she would have to spend waiting for the charger etc. etc. I am not anti EV but we just haven’t got it right for us.

    5. @alexis4816 Avatar
      @alexis4816

      Hi Pete, I wrote a whole blog on public EV Charging from a wheelchair users point of view, would you find it useful in next weeks mid week 180? It is too long to put here? Alex

  5. @RobertSmith-di5ll Avatar
    @RobertSmith-di5ll

    How does a 17 year old buy a car? Me and my mates bought £500 bangers.

    1. @anthonyfinch4401 Avatar
      @anthonyfinch4401

      This only affects new cars though. Just like those days there’s many years of old petrol cars still to buy as bangers

    2. @Triggernlfrl Avatar
      @Triggernlfrl

      @@Wdf-76 You do not need insurance or license to drive a car…

    3. @GuyGibsonsDog Avatar
      @GuyGibsonsDog

      @@Triggernlfrl Truer than you think. I had a family member driving a car with no MOT for nearly a year. Never got done.

    4. @Graham_Shaw Avatar
      @Graham_Shaw

      @@Triggernlfrl You do if you have the decency to be law abiding, otherwise the rest of us pay for the costly, dangerous mistakes of others who don’t.

    5. @SimT8 Avatar
      @SimT8

      Just buy a new or used ICE car in 2029 look after it and will last you 10 – 20 years +. If you are the same age as me and Ped then you just get an electric mobility scooter after 😂😂

  6. @grandprix1337 Avatar
    @grandprix1337

    If EVs were the ‘answer’ private buyers would be falling over themselves to purchase.
    The epic depreciation summarises it all. It ends this whole discussion.

    1. @SDK2006b Avatar
      @SDK2006b

      Are private buyers falling over themselves to buy new petrol & diesel cars 🤔 What is the data on these?
      New car deprecation impacts all vehicles – whatever the fuel type, for the last 5+ decades

    2. @trouble1871 Avatar
      @trouble1871

      @@grandprix1337 they are the answer to some and not others. It depends on your situation/needs. I think the main reasons private sales are struggling are cost to buy new vs depreciation and the amount of misinformation out there scaring people off.

    3. @barriewilliams4526 Avatar
      @barriewilliams4526

      Exactly!

    4. @stewartgray5581 Avatar
      @stewartgray5581

      I totally agree that depreciation is an issue, but it also a great opportunity to purchase an ex lease for less than 50% of the original price. Let the leasing companies take the hit and get at high spec car which is cheap to run if you charge at home.

    5. @michaelgodbold6247 Avatar
      @michaelgodbold6247

      The depreciation on a milk float is 4 times the amount on areal car

  7. @lesliecarter4295 Avatar
    @lesliecarter4295

    Mad Miliband will destroy the motor industry because of his obsession for net zero ideology…

    1. @kevinmair7571 Avatar
      @kevinmair7571

      They destroyed themselves by dragging their heels and throwing tantrums.

    2. @SWR112 Avatar
      @SWR112

      @@kevinmair7571Absolutely they run themselves into the ground and then either had to be sold like MINI brand or died and embarrassingly came back to the roads with MG owned by China who are building great cars. Gone are oh the quality is not there it is now matching anything European has to offer.

    3. @biggobmalc8118 Avatar
      @biggobmalc8118

      Not only the motor industry, but a massive chunk of our manufacturing industry which will lead to mass unemployment, poverty levels will go through the roof, life expectancy will plummet. People will starve and freeze to death in numbers not seen since the Great Depression of the 1920s. The guy is mentally deficient and obsessed with achieving the impossible, no matter the cost.

    4. @lesliecarter4295 Avatar
      @lesliecarter4295

      @@biggobmalc8118 yeah! He is a net zero psychopath.!

    5. @lesliecarter4295 Avatar
      @lesliecarter4295

      This mandate affects commercial vehicles as well. Stellantis are already talking about closing van production in UK.

  8. @01theloneranger Avatar
    @01theloneranger

    Good analysis of the situation.
    Something else to consider, as I have just discovered is the hidden cost of owning an EV or in my case a PHEV. My previous car was a Rav4 Petrol and the insurance was £300 per year. My current car is the Rav4 PHEV and the insurance is now £1,250 per year. I also paid £1,100 for my home charger. The road tax is £410 per year on top of the standard rate, for five years as the car was over £40,000. So over the next 5 years I will be paying an extra £7,900 for helping the environment.
    Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love this car, but why are they fleecing me for trying to be green? I have heard that a full EV is even more expensive to insure. This is not the way to encourage us to switch, when a petrol car cost so little to buy and run.

    1. @15bit62 Avatar
      @15bit62

      Your problem is the UK insurance industry. The poor regulation and massive aversion to risk leads to these numbers. Just for fun i typed in my details using my dad’s nice rural UK address and got insurance quotes for my Tesla. The quotes came back 25% more than i pay in Norway, despite all our ice and snow and hugely high labour rates. Plus the coverage was considerably worse.

    2. @MrPeteJMc Avatar
      @MrPeteJMc

      I have a 73 plate rav4 phev and totally agree with you in every way.

    3. @timfallon8226 Avatar
      @timfallon8226

      You aren’t being green you are being conned.

    4. @rugbygirlsdadg Avatar
      @rugbygirlsdadg

      Statistics (facts) suggest that Hybrids are about 20 times more likely to catch fire than ice cars, which are more likely to catch fire than BEVs. That will have some impact on your insurance.
      I went from a diesel straight to a BEV and my insurance went up by about £50.
      The road tax increase had nothing to do with the PHEV, just the cost of your car. Mine was under £35k and so I’ve paid nothing in road tax since I bought it.

    5. @architectofechoes4 Avatar
      @architectofechoes4

      @@15bit62 Could it be that Norway for the most part is governed by sensible people?

  9. @mikadavies660 Avatar
    @mikadavies660

    It is pretty clear , when talking policy makers….. We just voted Labour in! If we were so against it….. We had the option to scrap the EV mandates, by voting Reform.

    1. @oneeleven9832 Avatar
      @oneeleven9832

      A lot of people did but first past the post keeps the ‘right’ people in 🤷‍♂️…if a country says drive what u like im emigrating 😡

    2. @mikadavies660 Avatar
      @mikadavies660

      @@oneeleven9832 I enjoy my BEV, my diesel and my motorbike…. But I have got my own large plot overseas and will leave this first past the post, leftie country soon. Sick of seeing my taxes pissed away.

    3. @system11yt Avatar
      @system11yt

      Technically only 20% of people voted the new tyrants in.

    4. @michaelhayes9975 Avatar
      @michaelhayes9975

      Only 20% of the electorate voted for Labour so in truth “we” didn’t! The UK only contributes 2%of the world’s emissions so why are we racing hellbent on our own industrial destruction? This worlds gone mad

    5. @mikadavies660 Avatar
      @mikadavies660

      @@michaelhayes9975 You can split hairs over percentage all you want… But the facts are millions didn’t vote at all…. So they have zero right to complain (I’m sure they will be the ones moaning like crazy)…. Then millions of others voted Labour, Liberal Democrat …. ALL of those votes are “for green policies”… The only vote that would of scrapped the green policies was a sworn promise by Reform…. As they stated that Britain’s 2% is in fact insignificant…
      They were correct.
      I voted Reform. Yet I do own a BEV and it suits our needs perfectly. But I appreciate and believe, it doesn’t suit all people’s needs.

  10. @jamiehaggo6584 Avatar
    @jamiehaggo6584

    “we voted in the policy makers”.

    True, but when ALL the policy making parties all have the same policy it’s kind of hard to vote for the alternative!

    1. @Tyreman22 Avatar
      @Tyreman22

      Reform said the will scrap the net zero madness.

    2. @guyhitchcock6514 Avatar
      @guyhitchcock6514

      Reform

    3. @jamiehaggo6584 Avatar
      @jamiehaggo6584

      “Policy makers”, there is zero chance of Reform ever being policy makers.

    4. @CrusaderSports250 Avatar
      @CrusaderSports250

      We never vote for the policy makers, just the politicians that spout the policymakers policy.

  11. @PeterKirton-nu9iv Avatar
    @PeterKirton-nu9iv

    Caravanning will also end because towing and electric cars simply don’t work

    1. @SDK2006b Avatar
      @SDK2006b

      Many motorhome and caravan business are already going bust, due to declining sales.
      Towing accommodation around the country is just wasteful – rent a place already at your location.

    2. @johndavey8683 Avatar
      @johndavey8683

      ​@@SDK2006bthe difference in cost of renting a place for a week for a family of four and a dog, versus staying on a campsite in a 20 year old caravan is the difference between being able to take my family on holiday as opposed to not taking them on holiday.

    3. @johnnodge4327 Avatar
      @johnnodge4327

      Just for the record, a lot of EVs tow these days, many more weight than an equivalent ICE vehicle.
      However as a EV is about ⅛ of the running costs, simply dump the toilet on wheels and stay in a hotel instead.

    4. @celliott16 Avatar
      @celliott16

      Every cloud 🤷🤣

    5. @hughmarcus1 Avatar
      @hughmarcus1

      @@SDK2006bthat’s mostly because they had a massive boom during Covid, owners are now offloading those used units & the market has responded accordingly

  12. @mikadavies660 Avatar
    @mikadavies660

    There is a lot to be said for improved hybrid tech. But I utterly disagree with burning gigawatts of electric to produce Hydrogen…. Which is massively explosive and difficult to store.

    1. @stevecade857 Avatar
      @stevecade857

      We have excess renewable energy at times which actually forces wholesale energy prices to go negative. We can’t just turn off our nuclear and fossil fuel power stations so what can we do with that excess energy? We can store it in batteries but that’s not a great solution but use it to generate hydrogen seems good to me.

    2. @johnandrews2642 Avatar
      @johnandrews2642

      Hydrogen tech is getting better all the time it hasn’t had the time and money spent on it like batteries have so far so it will get more and more efficient. Also battery powered vans and Lorrie’s and buses just doesn’t work for long journeys carrying large amounts of weight at all.

    3. @mikadavies660 Avatar
      @mikadavies660

      @@johnandrews2642 I admit the Cybertruck is stupidly slow in production. But 500 mile range is not nothing. Of course the Auzzie road trains are even bigger… and they are pulling 400miles on electric…. But it will take decades to sort out lorries to something cleaner.

    4. @mikadavies660 Avatar
      @mikadavies660

      @@stevecade857 With the excess…. Definitely, why not. It’s made, so it has to be used.

    5. @sparkytas Avatar
      @sparkytas

      ​@@stevecade857Hydrogen has a very low theoretical limit to its round trip efficiency. Once you add the building of hydrogen refuelling stations (costs are eye wateringly ridiculous) and transport of hydrogen to those stations, it’s clear that hydrogen is way too flawed to compete with BEVs.

      People need to do a deep dive into the science and economics of why hydrogen. It is then clear why only being funded by fossil fuels companies.

  13. @petergilderdale Avatar
    @petergilderdale

    You state “Only 1 in 11 EVs are private buyers” , but how many ICE are private? I’d guess we’ll over 50% are leased, HP, etc

    1. @SDK2006b Avatar
      @SDK2006b

      Exactly – all new cars are expensive now, regardless of fuel type.
      Also, all new cars depreciate a lot in the first 3 years.

      It’s not EV specific

      The same reason apply to new petrol and diesel cars too – who is willing to lose 50% off the high new price of those?🤔

    2. @johnnodge4327 Avatar
      @johnnodge4327

      ​@@SDK2006b
      Absolutely.
      People wanted EV to ICE parity, now it’s here, people are still complaining.
      As you said, all new vehicles cost much more than a decade ago, and all depreciate a sizable amount the moment they’re driven out the showroom.
      To the EVs advantage, the much lower running costs offset some of that initial depreciation.

    3. @simonm9923 Avatar
      @simonm9923

      Agreed, you can’t have it both ways. People complained that prices were too high, now great EVs like the Taycan are a secondhand bargain (depreciation suffered by business users who’ve benefited from the tax) and still they moan. Do you want cheap secondhand or low depreciation?

  14. @gavinhall4112 Avatar
    @gavinhall4112

    Whenever you can’t understand what’s going, start with the outcome, assume it’s intentional, and infer the motive. Let’s be clear, the intention is not that everyone has an EV. The intention is that most people don’t have a car at all.

    1. @robinoconnor1203 Avatar
      @robinoconnor1203

      All part of the WEF plan, have nothing and be happy! Starmer is a disciple of the WEF, who are a mix of Nazi Germany and Stalin’s Russia.

    2. @MdvK13979 Avatar
      @MdvK13979

      where do we find proof for that ‘wisdom’?

    3. @davidcolin6519 Avatar
      @davidcolin6519

      I’m sorry, but that is ridiculous. Most European/advanced economies are entirely dependent on personal transport. Not even the Tories would be stupid enough to close down the car industry.
      Seriously, forget the automakers, just the ancilliary industries are big enough to run a significant part of most countries’ economies. It is no surprise that developed economies that have no auto industries work really, really hard to create them, and that any economy which aims to develop rapidly looks straight to automating. Japan, Korea and now China and India have all used the auto industry to develop their industrial base far more quickly than would be normal.
      This route to rapid development is now so well established that it has become a standard for economic development.

    4. @vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763 Avatar
      @vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763

      @@MdvK13979. The unaffordability, the impracticality and the non-existent benefit to the environment of EVs.

    5. @MdvK13979 Avatar
      @MdvK13979

      @@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763 no I mean where is this written down in policy? Which overarching regulating body (or whomever) has cooked up this wicked plan and started to actually carry this out? That should not be mired in the usual conspiratorial clouds….

  15. @timphillips4147 Avatar
    @timphillips4147

    As a wheelchair user, charging is the overriding issue Pete. My apartment can’t support a charge point being installed unless radical thinking is incorporated. Public Charing also is an issue in terms of negotiating cables and plugging points into the charger. No problem getting out of my car at a petrol station on my own. If the two points I’ve raised were fully addressed then I’d be thinking of my next lease being electric ⚡

  16. @WhiskyPoems Avatar
    @WhiskyPoems

    The market always decides.
    If not: Have a look at Cuba – there is beauty in old cars…

  17. @pixie706 Avatar
    @pixie706

    Kier Starmer needs to listen to this . Politicians live on a different planet to ordinary people.

    1. @rsmith8875 Avatar
      @rsmith8875

      Thought I heard Starmer or one of his cronies say they were moving the cut off date back to 2030…

    2. @johndawson5718 Avatar
      @johndawson5718

      Starmer needs to do his next jaunt out of his London bubble in an EV , on the motorways and experience mixing with the general public in service stations waiting to charge…then he might get it …its crap!

    3. @richardsmith579 Avatar
      @richardsmith579

      He knows, but he doesn’t care.

    4. @simoningate2056 Avatar
      @simoningate2056

      He hasn’t been in for a month yet – don’t blame Starmer (yet)- at least the new government are going to think about this country (compared to the bunch of crazies we just voted out). Politicians live on the same planet these decisions have been made worldwide not just in the UK. The Chinese have invested in new tech – we in this country didn’t invest in clean power – we even closed down a factory making wind generators – which means we have to buy from …. China.

    5. @enrobsorussell Avatar
      @enrobsorussell

      Listening is one thing….one must have brain cells to think about what is said.
      Just looking at his `blank canvas` face is enough to tell anyone he is clinically dead & following a script.

  18. @dimsoneill Avatar
    @dimsoneill

    It will be a cold day in hell before I by a Chinese EV.

    1. @stevecade857 Avatar
      @stevecade857

      You don’t want one then as batteries don’t work as well in the cold. Best to get one now while global warming is keeping temperatures nice and toasty.

    2. @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Avatar
      @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270

      But you’ve got a smartphone which was almost certainly built in China, or a tablet or laptop perhaps?….You house is full of made MIC products but you won’t buy a Chinese car….even though the car you drive today probably has a lot of MIC parts in it.

    3. @JamesSmith-qs4hx Avatar
      @JamesSmith-qs4hx

      @@stevecade857 If global warming returns, enjoy it while you can, because the alternative is quite chilling.

    4. @stevecade857 Avatar
      @stevecade857

      @@JamesSmith-qs4hx Well it’s now the get out clause ‘climate change’ now so it could get colder as well and man made pollution will still get the blame.

  19. @geoffnorton9279 Avatar
    @geoffnorton9279

    No need to worry because…….. “By 2030 you will own nothing and you will be happy.”

  20. @hughmarcus1 Avatar
    @hughmarcus1

    Hi Pete. I’m a farmer. There isn’t enough land in the world to grow synthetic fuels. They’ll always be niche.

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