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How far can electrical cars and trucks truly go in the summer season? It should be ideal conditions for EVs, but is it?? We drive 11 new electrical automobiles and one older 250,000-mile to discover the number of miles they can actually take a trip before they die.

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78 responses to “How far can electric cars REALLY go in the summer? We drive 12 until they DIE! | What Car?”

  1. @turbogeek.421 Avatar
    @turbogeek.421

    That 9-year old, 250k mile Tesla seems to be well worth the money!

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    1. @USUG0 Avatar
      @USUG0

      until something breaks down out of warranty
      like all luxury cars, it requires luxury repair prices

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    2. @FFVoyager Avatar
      @FFVoyager

      @@USUG0 and every charging stop!

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    3. @smithleon Avatar
      @smithleon

      @@FFVoyager a lot of those older Model S had free super charging for life……but then most people are probably home charging for practically nothing anyway.

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    4. @mkijn999 Avatar
      @mkijn999

      ​@@USUG0tesla don’t make much /any profit from servicing. Prices are reasonable

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  2. @LeedsRider Avatar
    @LeedsRider

    Can confirm that in my 2024 Tesla Model 3 RWD I’m frequently getting 4.4 m/kWh on longer trips. It’s not an anomaly.

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    1. @chapmandu2 Avatar
      @chapmandu2

      Likewise, my long term average over all driving is 4 mi/kWh on a 72 plate Tesla M3 SR+. Even going to the south of France at autoroute speeds it doesn’t drop much below 4 mi/kWh which at 80mph gives 2 hours driving between stops charging from 10-85%. On slow UK motorways can drive well beyond 2 hours between stops if you really want to (I don’t).

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    2. @ObiePaddles Avatar
      @ObiePaddles

      Our Model Y has averaged 4.43 miles / KWh over 2 years and 16,250 miles

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    3. @80y3r9 Avatar
      @80y3r9

      Indicated or actually measured?

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    4. @ObiePaddles Avatar
      @ObiePaddles

      @@80y3r9 that’s the indicated number over the whole cars life. Ive just watched video on indicated results compared with real measure and teslas were within 10%. It’s also what we get on long trips by real measurement.

      If I take the kw put in over 2 years / total km it’s over 3 m/kwh. HOWEVER that’s total including charging losses , which no one uses for comparisons, and there are so many other uses that change the miles / kWh like sentry mode and lots and lots of dog mode which means it is significantly understated. I don’t have seperate information on the kWh used that isn’t driving.

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    5. @FirstLast-rh9jw Avatar
      @FirstLast-rh9jw

      at least that’s what its telling you.

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  3. @Peter-gd9xf Avatar
    @Peter-gd9xf

    Please check your calculations for mini cooper. The short fall is 12.8%, not 18 as your table.

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    1. @SirHackaL0t. Avatar
      @SirHackaL0t.

      They are well known for miscalculating figures.

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    2. @christophermawdsley7604 Avatar
      @christophermawdsley7604

      Glad I’m not the only one who spotted this.

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    3. @PoliviosSavva Avatar
      @PoliviosSavva

      They cant do basic math even with calculators,yet they expect us to take them seriously

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    4. @mikemarillion5221 Avatar
      @mikemarillion5221

      yeah, their calculations are really bad. should be missing range/total range and it serms they cant even calculate that

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    5. @johnharvey1786 Avatar
      @johnharvey1786

      Also the Audi Q6 is shown as more expensive than anything on the configuration system. This must have everything possible, which includes the Edition 1 Quattro version, 21” wheels and a sunroof, plus all the extra weight items they could add, making the range worse. Then to get up to that price they would have needed to add lots of accessories and service and warrantee packs, etc and even then it’s very difficult to reach this figure. The only Audi Q6 that could cost this much is a fully loaded SQ6. However others have tested the Q6 in real world conditions in slightly colder weather and achieved another 20-25 miles, but may not have used such fully specified cars so the range test is probably reasonably accurate given the fully spec model they used, as all extra weight and larger wheels reduces range.

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  4. @mattmyers1484 Avatar
    @mattmyers1484

    The video does not highlight the different battery sizes. Not surprising that the larger battery cars go further!!

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    1. @djtaylorutube Avatar
      @djtaylorutube

      Except that efficiency is key, not just making up for a lack of it with a bigger battery. Early Audi etron for example. Terrible efficiency so just try to sell on battery size.
      Nobody ever marketed an ICE vehicle on fuel tank capacity.

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    2. @mattmyers1484 Avatar
      @mattmyers1484

      @@djtaylorutube I agree. However they are basing the winner of the test on range and not efficiency. Hence the comment.

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    3. @djtaylorutube Avatar
      @djtaylorutube

      @@mattmyers1484 yes fair enough. They should provide a cost per mile that goes with that bigger battery, especially when efficiency is key. MPG was always marketed and discussed with ICE.

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    4. @FirstLast-rh9jw Avatar
      @FirstLast-rh9jw

      dohhh….. did you miss the efficiency column and the chat about efficiency?

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    5. @mattmyers1484 Avatar
      @mattmyers1484

      No. Clearly not read the comments. The winner of the test was based on range, not efficiency!

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  5. @UKDagnar Avatar
    @UKDagnar

    Never see vids of driving ICE cars till they run out of fuel for some reason. It would be relevant if there wasn’t a charging network but there is so these tests are completely irrelevant. Only serve to titillate the anti EV crowd and infuriate EV owners that know the truth. The vast majority of journeys in the UK by all types of car owners is under 35 miles, the only time range matters is if travelling 200 miles plus in which case both EV and ICE cars will usually have to stop for toilet break / food and regularly fill up / charge (honestly how many ICE owners fill their car up and then drive until their fuel warning light comes on?). Recent drive round scotland in EV and every time we stopped for food we plugged in had 20 mins for food etc and came back to a 90%+ charged car, no range issues whatsoever.

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    1. @chapmandu2 Avatar
      @chapmandu2

      It’s nice to see what happens though given it’s something that we’re never going to actually experience. If I was getting that low I’d redirect to a nearby charger and have a quick 5 minute top up to give me enough to my destination, a bit of an annoying detour but hardly the end of the world.

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    2. @solentbum Avatar
      @solentbum

      I did a quick retro calculation on the early ICE cars I owned, most had a ‘full tank’ range of around 250-350 miles. Standard Vanguard , Humber Hawk, Vauxhall VX4/90, Morris 1000 Traveller, Austin A35, and others.
      We often had range anxiety in the 1960’s, there were very few Garages that stayed open after 6pm, even on main roads.

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    3. @angelroms1991 Avatar
      @angelroms1991

      Rlly? In 3 hour trip you need to stop for toilet and eating and fill up fuel tank? No, thanks.

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    4. @safiullahqureshi3196 Avatar
      @safiullahqureshi3196

      ​@@angelroms1991exactly 💯. The EV crowd simply isn’t ready to accept the fact that normal ICE drivers can go for 10-12 hours on end without stopping. They just don’t want to admit the fact that EVs are bad for road trips, not just because of charging time, but also because chargers are often off the route, and the chargers don’t even work many times.

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    5. @ebbonfly Avatar
      @ebbonfly

      @@safiullahqureshi3196 Totally unaffordable by most private drivers just look at those prices.

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  6. @lucasmorse3061 Avatar
    @lucasmorse3061

    It should be noted that the Model 3 is on the optional 19 inch wheels, this drops the estimated range by 26 miles on the WLTP cycle, even taking the shortfall in to account that would be an approximate 20 mile range increase in this test and a corresponding increase in efficiency.

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    1. @urbanspaceman7183 Avatar
      @urbanspaceman7183

      Still only half the range of an average diesel.

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    2. @lucasmorse3061 Avatar
      @lucasmorse3061

      @@urbanspaceman7183 at half the cost.

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    3. @sergiuprofiroiu2814 Avatar
      @sergiuprofiroiu2814

      Yes I have the 18 and I get around 270

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    4. @urbanspaceman7183 Avatar
      @urbanspaceman7183

      @@sergiuprofiroiu2814 Wow, that’s nearly a third of what I get.

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    5. @CrazedCrittic Avatar
      @CrazedCrittic

      @@urbanspaceman7183 who cares about stupid diesels.

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  7. @DanJHayes Avatar
    @DanJHayes

    Almost everyone I know who charges at home uses a much cheaper overnight tariff – I think you should quote the 7p per KW/h costs in future.

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    1. @FirstLast-rh9jw Avatar
      @FirstLast-rh9jw

      How do the 40% of people in the UK who don’t have electirc where they park their car manage?

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    2. @DanJHayes Avatar
      @DanJHayes

      @@FirstLast-rh9jw Well if they want an EV (and they may not be the best option for many) then they charge using more expensive public chargers or possibly for free at work (like I do). My point is that by only giving the more expensive estimates based on public charging they aren’t giving a full picture.

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    3. @FFVoyager Avatar
      @FFVoyager

      It’s a mix for most – but the longer the range, the less often people would need to charge away from home though.

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    4. @IanBennetts Avatar
      @IanBennetts

      I’ve had a Niro EV for the last two years. I don’t have home charging, I certainly don’t pay 79p/kWh. In August I drove from West Somerset to York total cost was £34 for 305 miles and that was with 30% SOC on arrival. No waiting for a charger, just charged when we stopped for lunch. I can’t even remember the last time I had to wait for a charger.

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    5. @Lewis_Standing Avatar
      @Lewis_Standing

      There’s lots of options like across the Kerb solutions like Kerbo charge. Minimal street infrastructure form charging like Trojan energy. Standard on street charging solutions. Charger/ drive sharing solutions. Rapid charging at the supermarket whilst you shop eg Sainsbury’s

      It’s very doable, car’s are parked for 90% of their life. Just put the chargers where they are parked. Typically it’s quite near some electricity already​@@FirstLast-rh9jw

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  8. @niceboy60 Avatar
    @niceboy60

    Financially Renault Scenic Won 😳
    It’s £ 8,000 Less and you loose around 10 miles compared with the Polestar 2
    .
    I mean is a Extra 10 miles range Realy Worth 8k 🤷 you decide

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    1. @USUG0 Avatar
      @USUG0

      they are different cars, appealing to different customers.

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    2. @FirstLast-rh9jw Avatar
      @FirstLast-rh9jw

      if you”re worried about purchase cost and the associated depreciation, EVs aren’t for you.

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    3. @FFVoyager Avatar
      @FFVoyager

      @@USUG0 they are close in price. They are fishing for the same customers.

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    4. @USUG0 Avatar
      @USUG0

      @@FFVoyager one is the equivalent of an ICE …. Scenic/VW Tiguan family hauler, the other is a sporty sedan equivalent to an ICE BMW 3series. Besides, as stated in the video and comment 8k difference
      …. but sure

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    5. @FFVoyager Avatar
      @FFVoyager

      @@USUG0 you have not driven a Polestar if you think it’s a ‘sporty sedan’ 🤣

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  9. @bjrnerlingchristophersen1148 Avatar
    @bjrnerlingchristophersen1148

    The Kona and Tesla model 3 used 19 inch weels😢. If it used the standard 17 and 18 inch weeks they would have 🏆 🥇. When What Car test cars they should use the most efficient weels that are standard on all cars recommended by the manufacturers or this test is a joke…They didn’t 😢

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  10. @ObiePaddles Avatar
    @ObiePaddles

    NEDC = Not even damn close.

    WLTP = way less than predicted.

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    1. @USUG0 Avatar
      @USUG0

      on the other hand, most EVs in mixed driving conditions with an overall average speed of 40-45 mph, in mild weather conditions, do achieve real world ranges exceeding WLTP rating

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    2. @chrishart8548 Avatar
      @chrishart8548

      I actually always exceed the WLTP figure. 80% for me is 286 miles and 100% is 371 miles wltp put it a 339 miles

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    3. @ObiePaddles Avatar
      @ObiePaddles

      @@chrishart8548 that’s really good. Mixed driving or around town

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    4. @JamesABloomfield Avatar
      @JamesABloomfield

      The best government mandated range test is the American EPA test. It’s pretty much spot on correct.

      If the car you’re looking at is sold in the USA go and check what number they quote for that test and you’ll have a much more realistic estimate. (Assuming you don’t drive it like Verstappen)

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    5. @chrishart8548 Avatar
      @chrishart8548

      @@ObiePaddles mixed. EV’s don’t like motorways. Around town I get 5 mls/kw B roads are really good the regen down the hills and when you have to slow down for corners is a game changer. Instead of huge amounts of fuel accelerating, and loads of brake pad wear with all the slowing down. You get neither of these and most of the power used to accelerate gets recaptured. I’ve got almost 10 miles back on a really big downhill stretch

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  11. @Tom-ie3vc Avatar
    @Tom-ie3vc

    Nobody charges at home at 22.4p rate.!!! More like 7p. You misleading people here.

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    1. @colonelccccc Avatar
      @colonelccccc

      Actually, you are misleading people, if I come home and the battery is flat in the middle of the day, in your scenario I will have to wait until midnight to charge, but if I charge it during the day which I will, since I need to reach a store when it’s open, it’s going to be 22+p, they are talking about worst case situations here. chill out.

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    2. @thelaserhive3368 Avatar
      @thelaserhive3368

      Very true. Also no-one ever runs the battery flat, no Tesla ever charges at Gridserve. The whole test is pretty silly really and mainly geared to try and show EVs in as critical a light as possible. Interesting then that a lot of them still come out of it really well

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    3. @chrisnewman6062 Avatar
      @chrisnewman6062

      @@colonelccccc Waiting for midnight isnt as true as you think. Mine has charged at all sorts of times of day depending on grid excess. its quite often electing to start charge at 9pm

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    4. @ewadge Avatar
      @ewadge

      @@colonelcccccyou are actually proving the same point. What you are illustrating is an exceptional circumstances – happening to come home in the middle of the day on a low state of charge. It is notable because that may happen but it is unusual. Yes, that may happen but in the vast majority of cases you are going to be coming home with about 40% charger and you are going to just plug in and have it charge overnight.

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    5. @C0baltBlueJ Avatar
      @C0baltBlueJ

      ​@@colonelcccccWhat a strangely specific example. Most people won’t come close to running flat on a daily basis, the average daily commute is 20 miles. It’s normal to plug in once or twice a week and let the car charge on schedule when rates are cheap. If you need to make a longer journey, you just plug in at a higher state of charge than usual, it’s not difficult. I get ~120 miles out of my Leaf and haven’t ever had to charge outside of cheap rate hours. I do have to use rapids in public though, but not very frequently and not ever for a full charge.

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  12. @robmccafferty7738 Avatar
    @robmccafferty7738

    “Wouldn’t be safe to run cars totally out of charge on the public road network”
    Shots fired Matt Watson from CarWow

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    1. @thormaster06 Avatar
      @thormaster06

      What i thought immediately!!

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    2. @stevencampbell1150 Avatar
      @stevencampbell1150

      Thing I don’t understand is they’ve run the electric cars till they’ve run out of range on the road before? 🤔

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  13. @fyve4321 Avatar
    @fyve4321

    The Kona had the wrong wheels, top spec can have the smaller wheels on the Advance and gives an extra 37 miles official range. So if you want max range you need the smaller wheels.

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  14. @thelaserhive3368 Avatar
    @thelaserhive3368

    It’s never a fair comparison if you make a Tesla charge at Gridserve! I guarantee that no Tesla ever charges at Gridserve as Tesla Superchargers are everywhere. That’s simply nonsensical.

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    1. @ISuperTed Avatar
      @ISuperTed

      I don’t have a Tesla and even I don’t charge at Gridserve! I pay 44p at a public Tesla supercharger.

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    2. @Lypiatt Avatar
      @Lypiatt

      Yep you are right, nonsense to suggest a Tesla charge at Gridserve other than in extremis. It is only one of many frustrations with their’ testing’, for example the Polestar “won” but has a far far larger battery than most of the other cars, so how is it a surprise? Test it against the Tesla AWD LR would make more sense as they’re similar money and similar size.

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    3. @windowsdan1 Avatar
      @windowsdan1

      This is so true .. I have a Tesla and my local Tesla Supercharger is 22p so better than the home price they quoted! Although charging at home is only 7p for me and not just through the night, as Octopus Intelligent gives you 7p for all the time you charge whether it’s during the day or night. They don’t talk about any of this!

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  15. @Adamlllllllllllljjjljljjjjj Avatar
    @Adamlllllllllllljjjljljjjjj

    I love how you included the used Tesla model S. Theres multiple electric range test videos online but adding in a high mileage car does make it more interesting

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  16. @nibotkram7743 Avatar
    @nibotkram7743

    Trying to understand the point of this. M/kw average is the key metric. If they are doing this for entertainment purposes then maybe ok.
    Kinda of a meh video.
    I guess people need to work.

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  17. @anton_grahn Avatar
    @anton_grahn

    A test including both highway efficency and charging would be great! Range by it self is interesting but only half the story!

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    1. @jonathantaylor1998 Avatar
      @jonathantaylor1998

      Check out Edmunds – they do real world range tests on all their EVs, plus charging speeds, too.
      Also, InsideEVs do their ‘legendary’ 70mph highway range test.

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  18. @salibaba Avatar
    @salibaba

    The costs used in the comparisons are SO not close to actual reality.
    It’s like saying that everyone has the potential to have high petrol costs because they only ever fill up exclusively at motorways petrol stations.

    DOES. NOT. HAPPEN!

    Meanwhile back IN THE REAL WORLD-
    Everyone who CAN charge it home does. The majority who do make sure they’re on a tariff to get the cost as low as possible.
    The ones who rely on the public networks, do the same. They seek out to use the easiest and cheapest they can. Be that by subscription, workplace charging, cheap supermarkets.
    Motorway charging is only a last resort and even at that regular users will have discounted options such as using the open to all superchargers, subscription pricing and off peak / special rates.

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    1. @kaybe3044 Avatar
      @kaybe3044

      Spot on

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  19. @pf888 Avatar
    @pf888

    Telsa is still the efficiency king, although the lack of indicator and light stalks is unforgivable.
    The Audi Q6 is the most disappointing, no more efficient than the older Q4 or Q8 even though it’s built on a new 800v PPE platform, and even less legroom for rear passengers than the smaller Q4. The German automakers should be focused more on efficiency than fancy lights.

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  20. @homertrix Avatar
    @homertrix

    The only test you need is…. can you travel until your next food and/or bathroom break. Can you get enough charge in during that food and/or bathroom break to see you through to the next one. And repeat until you reach your destination. I don’t understand why people are obsessed with range when they should be looking at “does it fit in with my needs”

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    1. @damindra Avatar
      @damindra

      food / bathroom break is still shorter than a charge, charging is for people who have all the time in the world LOL

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    2. @RichardButlerUK Avatar
      @RichardButlerUK

      @@damindra when I’m doing the occasional 300 or 400 or 500 mile day trip all by myself, I do find that by the time I’ve been to the loo, got a coffee and a snack, and then wander back to the car, I do occasionally wish that I had a newer model that charged faster.
      but when I’ve got some family or someone from work with me, the charging speed is never the issue

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