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These car brands won’t survive the 2030 ZEV Mandate ! | 4K

Can Ford and VW survive the 2030 ZEV mandate when Ford's department is set to lose $5 Billion this year and VW are taking a look at closing 2 factories in Germany!

In this video I likewise look at the fortunes of Volvo and Polestar.

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67 responses to “These car brands won’t survive the 2030 ZEV Mandate ! | 4K”

  1. @mikadavies660 Avatar
    @mikadavies660

    Something that many pro EV channels have been talking about for the last 3 years. Certain Legacy Auto manufacturers are just NOT making vehicles that make people walk into their showrooms. Ford not having an Electric Fiesta/Focus means that people are just NOT interested in £60,000 SUVs. Volvo are looking far better than Ford, as they have various model sizes. VW are trying to sell their EVs at Audi prices. Vauxhall, Renault and Peugeot have some interesting models.

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    1. @carlos-ek5de Avatar
      @carlos-ek5de

      Vw are in big trouble they ars golng to layoff 20000 people and close factorys

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    2. @Ayeright. Avatar
      @Ayeright.

      I wouldn’t ever consider purchasing a Vauxhall or Renault and most definitely not Peugeot.

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    3. @Caneandunable Avatar
      @Caneandunable

      Nobody wants an EV. That is the trouble.

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    4. @typxxilps Avatar
      @typxxilps

      Vauxhall / Opel has become even crappier than before now as part of the french unicar . Have you ever owned a Renault then you would not get one again. Same for Peugeot.
      At least here where you can drive a car without paying road toll every now and then. 3 minutes and I am on the highway with unlimited speed.

      But you can not drive a Peugeot or Renault or Vauxhall as fast as all the VW Skoda Seat models on the market. They are too weak, jump around in strong high speed curves and the steering is to comfy without direct contact.

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    5. @mikadavies660 Avatar
      @mikadavies660

      @@Ayeright. Your choice mate… It doesn’t make you right.

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  2. @Gopher31 Avatar
    @Gopher31

    When half the population have no option of charging at home, the government has no business banning sales of non electric cars.
    Second hand petrol cars will become very expensive soon after this ban becomes complete.

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    1. @peterthompson9318 Avatar
      @peterthompson9318

      Do you have a petrol pump at home then?

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    2. @Gopher31 Avatar
      @Gopher31

      @@peterthompson9318 charging takes longer and costs twice as much per mile as petrol when carried out at a charging station.

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    3. @popsbubbles1242 Avatar
      @popsbubbles1242

      @@peterthompson9318 LOL your thought process is at best stupid. As you ignore the greatest factor. Guess what you ignored?

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    4. @15bit62 Avatar
      @15bit62

      @@peterthompson9318 That’s just being facetious, and i’m sure you know it. There is a genuine challenge for people who want an EV and can’t charge at home. It is surmountable, with the installation of affordable charging at supermarkets, workplace and shopping centre car parks etc., but there is no proper action to make that happen at the necessary scale. Doesn’t even have to be fast chargers – 50kW at supermarkets and 10-20kW in other places would be enough.

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    5. @gordonmackenzie4512 Avatar
      @gordonmackenzie4512

      Just sold my Nissan Qashqai diesel for 27% of the price I paid for it 10 years ago. Was reliable and cheap to run over 40,000 miles. Just bought a Renault Megane Etech, 7 months old, 4000 miles, 46% below RRP with the options added 😮

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  3. @nonamenameless5495 Avatar
    @nonamenameless5495

    The core issue at hand is that this is what you get when governmental dirigisme favouring hideous “there s only one best way” approaches become a reality instead of looking at the problem and leaving its solution to the creativity and competition within the market. Let alone that what they sell as their “one best way” is extremely unlikely to even solve the issue at hand. This doesn t only hamper finding a mix of solutions that then end up addressing the problem but only helps those already being on a very one sided track- whilst other that could have helped to solve the problem are driven out of the market entirely.

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  4. @grahaminkpen5436 Avatar
    @grahaminkpen5436

    We only have ourselves to blame, sleeping while China wide awake.

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    1. @richardcorns8553 Avatar
      @richardcorns8553

      Agreed.

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    2. @Yorkshireasaurus Avatar
      @Yorkshireasaurus

      I don’t suppose all those subsidies the Chinese government are giving their motor industry are having any influence?

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    3. @macmac989 Avatar
      @macmac989

      Don’t buy electric cars

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    4. @jomo2483 Avatar
      @jomo2483

      The British car industry is non existent. What do you mean sleeping?

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  5. @cynicalmanc Avatar
    @cynicalmanc

    Nobody in the UK will even consider ordering a new car whether ICE or EV until we know the outcome of the budget in late October. Whether its pay for mile, fuel duty rises or other extra taxation to achieve net zero. Not a good time to work in Motor trade or supporting industries as confidence must be rock bottom. Totally depressing times we now live in?

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    1. @LonelyTreeSunset Avatar
      @LonelyTreeSunset

      Net zero is not achievable.

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  6. @robertnightingale4101 Avatar
    @robertnightingale4101

    All manufacturers face the same problems; poor charging infrastructure, expensive and unsuitable models for the mass market, insurance costs and the lack of being able to charge at home.

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    1. @andrew9466 Avatar
      @andrew9466

      Exactly…no one either seems to be putting pressure on the exorbitant costs of charging away from home ? Actually more expensive than running an ice.

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    2. @filippxx Avatar
      @filippxx

      One other aspect is that charging is not that expensive, but many cars are terribly ineficient. Apart from Tesla, Porsche and maybe KIA/Hyundai the rest of the cars are the equivalent of driving a 20 year old gas guzzling car, practically half of advertised range in real life when you hit the highway.

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    3. @oldgit15 Avatar
      @oldgit15

      ​@@filippxx Except they aren’t terribly inefficient, most doing the equivalent of 140+ MPG. What they have is very small fuel tanks compared with ICE cars. If you want to know the rough range of an EV multiply the battery kwh by 4 and you won’t be far away.

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    4. @Banyan314 Avatar
      @Banyan314

      @@andrew9466Tesla is squeezing the others hard. Do a bit of research please.

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    5. @Banyan314 Avatar
      @Banyan314

      @@filippxxThe Kia EV3 does not offer the most energy efficient wheels on its top line cars because “they don’t look that cool” 🤬

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  7. @AlejandroMesonero-Romanos Avatar
    @AlejandroMesonero-Romanos

    Thanks Peter. I think you have an educated auto culture, a great analysis capacity and last but not least, you are well informed.

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    1. @PetrolPed Avatar
      @PetrolPed

      Thanks Alejandro. That means a lot coming from you 🙏🏻 I trust you are well 👍

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  8. @derekwarren1862 Avatar
    @derekwarren1862

    Traditional companies have depended too much on supplier ECUs thats now killing them in the EV market, nothing links and talks to the other ECU. the likes of Tesla have 3, maybe 4 ECUs at most, a traditional manufactures has hundreds, without vertical integration, they will always struggle. its why VW in particular has had so many software issues in their EVs and why they have bought into Rivian

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  9. @richardcorns8553 Avatar
    @richardcorns8553

    China was a huge market for luxury brands like BMW, Audi, Mercedes and VW. Unfortunately they are now buying their cars manufactured in their own country. Cheaper to buy, they make better EV’s than the legacy car makers with technology 5 to 10 years ahead. China saw this coming ahead of anyone else and planed for it early. They even make 90% of all ev batteries. Once they start building factories in Europe to bypass the tariffs imposed things will get even worse.

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    1. @gavinivers8941 Avatar
      @gavinivers8941

      Lets not forget the Chinese Government prop up their motor trade, to the point somewhere like 25 – 40% of there wages come from the Chinese Government, hence why their electric cars are so cheap.

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    2. @bobwallace9753 Avatar
      @bobwallace9753

      I’m afraid you are correct. China paid attention to Tesla and copied. Western legacy laughed at Tesla and are now failing.

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    3. @kirkjohnson6638 Avatar
      @kirkjohnson6638

      Being ahead in the EV world isn’t really a good thing. It just means that you will lose your investment in R&D before other people lose theirs.

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    4. @whatthe6532 Avatar
      @whatthe6532

      And BYD make 500,000 EVs a year. And Warren Buffet invested in BYD in 2008 and has made 6xs his investment. It’s going to be winners and losers.

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    5. @kirkjohnson6638 Avatar
      @kirkjohnson6638

      @@whatthe6532 BYD may be a winner if EVs manage to stay alive, but it’s value will probably drop a fair amount once it is generally accepted that EV mandates are going to get killed, EV subsidies will go away, charging infrastructure will remain sub-par, EV insurance will always be far more costly than for ICE vehicles, and EVs only serve a niche market.

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  10. @simoningate2056 Avatar
    @simoningate2056

    Its the cost – EVs are too expensive. Renault 5 in France is at least €29K before options.

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  11. @long_view Avatar
    @long_view

    The underlying problem is government policy (in most key markets, not just UK) driven by a mixture of ideology and unrealistic eco/net zero timescales and targets. The car manufacturers have had to respond to this, especially in UK on pain of a £15k fine per ICE sale if the government mandated, incrementally increasing percentage of EV sales are not met, despite ever fewer EV customers. The principal issue with EVs is that real world ranges have currently hit a brick wall, and charging is time-consuming. Unless or until battery technology advances to provide a realistic range of 500+ miles, EV sales are unlikely to recover. STEM-ignorant politicians continue to promote (and legislate) EVs as the single solution, when H2 and synthetic fuels must surely be part of a sensible mix. You have of course made all these points before. However, I fear that you’re right about the potential failure of a major car manufacturer, and when that happens, all the ancilliary and component manufacturers and a legion of related service industries will likely follow. Quite how the economy is meant to grow given this economic self harm eludes me.

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    1. @Lewis_Standing Avatar
      @Lewis_Standing

      500 mile ranges are not required. AVG UK daily mileage is 20 , get a grip.

      You can’t have a sentence with STEM ignorant and then promote hydrogen or synthetic fuels I’m afraid. You seem unaware of the physics of hydrogen that makes it an entirely unsuitable fuel for cars. You’d need 2-6x the amount of renewable electricity to power cars via hydrogen or synthetic fuels for example.

      Sorry for being rude, but wow.

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    2. @James_08_07 Avatar
      @James_08_07

      Let’s face it, the overwhelming majority of journeys are closer to 20miles than 50, people don’t need 500 mile range, a lot of ICEs can’t do that and never have. EVs have been pushed by governments because they allow them to claim no emissions without having to actually do anything themselves.

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  12. @pierre-de-standing Avatar
    @pierre-de-standing

    Where was the outrage when BL finally collapsed, the Rootes Group also. These were major employers in the Midlands, not just the cars but all of the industries that supported them. The thing is, companies die, new ones are born and OK there is a social element to this, mainly those who work on the shop floor, we can’t afford to see the deprivation associated when the mines and steel works of the UK collapsed without any support from the Government. The major motor manufacturers have been dragging their feet for years over the future of private transport. I can remember back in 2019 Rugby World Cup, all the adverts on TV were for ICE vehicles despite the fact that Governmental plans for banning those sales had already been announced. Even now, the prevalence is for hybrids of some description. Governments also need to be honest about the role of private transport in society. Roads are pretty much saturated, most cities and towns have a Victorian road system designed for horses and carts and new roads, urban or extra urban, have been shown not to be long term solutions, just short term palliatives, so public and active transport and designs to make 15 minute cities a reality is probably important. Energy suppliers (BP/Shell etc) need to be honest about the future too. They should be trying to effectively corner the market for charging stations and even hydrogen, although I think in reality the latter is a busted flush. Governments also need to intervene with respect to charging facilities and inducements to entice us to switch to alternatives to ICE. Better public transport, both buses and trains need to be provided. The inability to not look beyond private transport as our way of getting around will ultimately hamstring us. So yes, get myopic about the loss of a Golf, Fiesta or any other such car, change will not come quick enough and that is a major cause for concern.

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  13. @ic2433 Avatar
    @ic2433

    There is nothing positive happening in the UK, it’s all doom and gloom. I had to laugh the other day when I passed a Kia dealership and they were advertising one of their cars at over £800 a month, what planet are they on?

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    1. @stevenjones916 Avatar
      @stevenjones916

      Probably the new electric EV9, SMH.

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    2. @Lewis_Standing Avatar
      @Lewis_Standing

      They make brilliant EVs, they are trying their hand in the luxury segment as there’s more profit.

      The EV9 will be better than any EV range rover.

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    3. @Dan-hy5co Avatar
      @Dan-hy5co

      There is an advert on the radio advertising ‘the new car smell’, as if that is the only reason to buy a new car

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    4. @mikegregory8353 Avatar
      @mikegregory8353

      Effectively £1200 a month if you factor in depreciation 😂😂😂

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    5. @mikegregory8353 Avatar
      @mikegregory8353

      @@Dan-hy5coSmell of bull—-t.

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  14. @gedtierney374 Avatar
    @gedtierney374

    Ties up perfectly with the Harry’s Garage YouTube channel recently. Well worth a watch.

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    1. @PetrolPed Avatar
      @PetrolPed

      Interesting video. He released it after my ZEV video 🤔😜

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    2. @gedtierney374 Avatar
      @gedtierney374

      😂. Always love your videos, well structured and delivered. As a side note, my son has a Sterling Nova “project” on my driveway. He left it there for a couple of days… 6months ago. Kids hey!!!

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    3. @bwarey52 Avatar
      @bwarey52

      Harry’s is awesome and love his car and farm content but when it comes to EVs he’s far to inside the industry and often gives very biased and inaccurate information and options

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  15. @dangosypethau Avatar
    @dangosypethau

    The problem is that net zero ideals have superseded common sense.
    The fact that only 1 in 11 EV buyers are private buyers says it all. But no, government knows best.

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    1. @Yorkshireasaurus Avatar
      @Yorkshireasaurus

      Rubbish. There are hardly any private buyers now because people are leasing, PCP etc so they can have a £50,000 car on the drive instead of buying outright something within their means.

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    2. @James_08_07 Avatar
      @James_08_07

      They’re not ideals, they’re legal commitments made by signatories to the Paris agreement. EVs were meant to be the “cheat” to being to able to reduce emissions for “free” from the governments perspective. Without the pandemic and war in Ukraine it might have worked, but at this stage now both of those things have happened, the original timeframes are simply unrealistic.

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    3. @angleseyandy9110 Avatar
      @angleseyandy9110

      And who is going to prosecute us if we don’t meet the artificial net-zero target? Nobody. End this nonsense.

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    4. @ianrob4760 Avatar
      @ianrob4760

      @@Yorkshireasaurus it is what I have done since 2013 and until this year when I qualified for a company car

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  16. @Wolfman57 Avatar
    @Wolfman57

    Pete, It all boils down to one thing,you can’t sell something that nobody wants to buy !!!.

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    1. @jvoric Avatar
      @jvoric

      But people DO want to buy them and they are!!! I’m nearing the point of purchasing my second to replace my diesel car!!

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    2. @Wolfman57 Avatar
      @Wolfman57

      @@jvoric the majority don’t do they !!!

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    3. @solentbum Avatar
      @solentbum

      AS a manufacturer you need to produce the ‘something’ that will sell, not what sold well last century.

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    4. @jvoric Avatar
      @jvoric

      @@Wolfman57 more and more are! Some are those are people that said they would never buy an EV! Once they try one most never wanna go back to Dino juice!

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    5. @Dan-hy5co Avatar
      @Dan-hy5co

      ​@@jvoricthe numbers don’t say so.

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  17. @Banyan314 Avatar
    @Banyan314

    There are many issues here but fundamentally Ford, VW, Volvo and many of the Stellantis Group manufacturers are making the wrong class of EV cars. They’ve mainly gone for the high end vehicles without any real focus on what actually sells, small – medium sized good quality affordable cars.
    What were Volvo thinking offering a family saloon with a 0-60 time of 4.5secs, a saloon without instruments and back seat space ! That is symbolic of what they’ve all done wrong, and now they’ve to rely on protectionism to save their lack of vision.

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    1. @contraplano3157 Avatar
      @contraplano3157

      I ve buyed a E-niro… in second hand. A simple car with lots of space.

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  18. @peterbutcher562 Avatar
    @peterbutcher562

    I attempted to buy a new petrol Audi, my local dealer informed me there was no chance. One of my pals informed me it is all part of the Zero EV numbers game which the SMT have fudged to reach there targets. The SMT have been quiet vocal that people cant get enough EV’s, as they reached their UK target this year for EV sales. Only achieved by deflecting vehicle sales.
    I have been convinced for some time that we are going to lose a big player from the auto industry. A couple of Ford dealerships in my area no longer sell new cars. And service and repairs is a very hit and miss affair by these former main agents .

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    1. @angleseyandy9110 Avatar
      @angleseyandy9110

      I trust you didn’t buy an EV and either 1 bought a second hand one, 2 bought a different petrol car, or 3 kept your existing car?

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  19. @davetomley3145 Avatar
    @davetomley3145

    The number of comments and the tone of them already shows the truth of this. The Car companies have been hoisted onto spikes by Governments making up authoritarian targets in a market economy. They have then accelerated the slide down onto the spike by their greed in targeting high value customers and fleets but ignoring the majority of their customers. The answer to China is to invite them to manufacture in the target market to avoid tariffs. I think this calls for a follow up as there is so much more to discuss about this including a discussion about why private motoring is the main target for net zero, noting that the losers are ordinary people and not the industrial elite 🤔

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  20. @chazprouk Avatar
    @chazprouk

    I own a Tesla but at the same time I’m fully aware that the customer needs the right to choose. Get the government’s nose out of business!

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