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No, We’re Not That Short On EV Plugs In America…

You may have seen the headline "only 3 plugs for each 10,000 Americans". OMG! How will we ever make it? Well, seeing as toddlers can't drive and there are just in between 2.5-3 million anythings with a plug in the USA, believe me the sky isn't falling. Could we have more public DC charging in America? Sure, but the charging infrastructure is growing. More significantly, most charging occurs in the house, so think what? Those 2.5-3 million EVs in fact have more of a 1:1 ratio of EVs to plugs …

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35 responses to “No, We’re Not That Short On EV Plugs In America…”

  1. SmartElectricCar Avatar
    SmartElectricCar

    Charged thousands of times in my own garage. 10 years of EV charging. Houses are pretty common here… 🙂

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    1. Ram Ram Avatar
      Ram Ram

      It’s the people in apartments that can’t charge. And single family housing is changing. More and more people have multiple people in a house that will need to charge, as well as having a guest suite or two. Most houses can’t charge 5 or 6 vehicles and apartments can’t charge any at the moment.

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    2. Stephen Shaw Avatar
      Stephen Shaw

      And, how many road trips in those 10 years? I’m betting a big, fat 0. Apartment & condo units are extremely prevalent; no solutions yet for those living in them is there? House prices are out of reach where I live.

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    3. Stephen Shaw Avatar
      Stephen Shaw

      @Ram Ram Do you really need to charge all of them concurrently, each and every single day/night? I’m betting that is an invalid scenario.

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    4. Patrick Avatar
      Patrick

      @anydaynow One right here. Been using level one for awhile now. No issues. If I ever change jobs and have a longer commute then I’ll get level 2. I don’t think level 1 is talked about enough as possibly being sufficient.

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    5. Ram Ram Avatar
      Ram Ram

      @Stephen Shaw  if there are 10 people living in a house, they need to get to work, thus requiring them to charge the vehicle to get there.
      In the vancouver area, a lot of houses are turning the front yard into more parking and then vehicles are still filling up street parking out front.

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  2. Irfan Husein Avatar
    Irfan Husein

    I’m watching this as my mach e and model 3 are both charging at home in my garage. Road tripping in an EV other than a Tesla is still a little inconvenient. A recent trip to lake Havasu Arizona and back from my home in Glendora California is an example. I choose to take the Mach E as it is more comfortable and it’s blue cruise works better than the model 3. Electrify America at Needles is still in the de rated mode and was providing only 60 kw of power, so the trip took 30 minutes longer than it should have. EA in Barstow has the newer chargers and worked perfectly

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  3. CMCNestT Avatar
    CMCNestT

    Good explanation.

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  4. nev co Avatar
    nev co

    Alex confessed in one of his live video streams with giveaways that he never left California for more than 20 years by driving his car but rather used air transportation instead meaning he is not a big fan of road tripping. What if most EV buyers offset their use of fossil fuel by locally driving an EV in order to take the plane for a trip? In that case public charging infrastructure crisis is even less existent than Alex explained in the video since most EV owners do charge at home and do not road trip their EV.

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    1. Stephen Shaw Avatar
      Stephen Shaw

      Show of hands as to how many WANT to fly. I thought so.

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    2. nev co Avatar
      nev co

      @Stephen Shaw I like road trips but my wife prefers flying.

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  5. Arthur Mary Avatar
    Arthur Mary

    Thank you for that bit of info. I’m tired of seeing stuff like your quote about “3 for 10,k00” and I appreciate your counter point debunking it.

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    1. George L Avatar
      George L

      Except he didn’t debunk it as it’s factual. He simply tried (and failed) to show that it’s irrelevant. Except it’s he was making that claim through straw man arguments.

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  6. Dreamy Avatar
    Dreamy

    thank you for your amazing information. this is useful for car enthusiasts and ev sycophants

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  7. whiteandnerdytuba Avatar
    whiteandnerdytuba

    I can’t even visit my girlfriend in electric since there’s no plug within 200 miles and range isn’t a priority

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  8. Henry Pack Avatar
    Henry Pack

    Alex, I think you covered this topic previously – while the headline you quoted was obviously misleading, I don’t believe we currently have an electrical infrastructure in place to support even 50 million EVs. Infrastructure in this instance means both power generation and power delivery. We must invest significantly in the generation of more electrical power and strengthen the electrical grids in place to meet such a demand. Given the stated timetable of many car manufacturers to move aggressively to EVs I think we are already behind.

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    1. EV Buyers Guide Avatar
      EV Buyers Guide

      That’s a separate issue. I agree with you but on a consumer side not an actual impediment to buying an EV today…

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    2. Stephen Shaw Avatar
      Stephen Shaw

      I live right beside what could be North America’s first fully electric car ferry. The electrical infrastructure in the MegaWatts range (1.5 MW) uses batteries. Charging of these batteries is done during off-peak hours. No, none, zero infrastructure upgrades were required.

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    3. Henry Pack Avatar
      Henry Pack

      @EV Buyers Guide Actually, I believe that articles from publications like Business Insider focus on the electrical infrastructure anxiety many people have – while their headlines are wildly inaccurate, there is an underlying uneasiness many folks have regarding the switch from gas to EV – as many folks are not that technically astute, asking them to install a level 2 charger in their home and operate it can be a tall order, even if we discount the cost. Also, people want to be able to charge somewhere besides their home, for road trips or whatever. Tesla understood this and went ahead and built their own charging infrastructure along with the cars, which work well together – Its this level of simplicity that is required for EVs to become more popular.

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    4. Henry Pack Avatar
      Henry Pack

      @Stephen Shaw Thank you for the example – while I don’t know where you live, I am quite sure that this dedicated commercial installation took power requirements into account while under construction, the same way as the NYC subway system, which is quite extensive, also runs off the electrical grid. However, its doubtful that the existing electrical grid of many suburban neighborhoods were designed to have 100’s of EVs parked overnight connected to Level 2 chargers. This makes sense, as no one would authorize the additional expense of doing so at the time it was put up. EVs are not laptops or cell phones – they are very large appliances that draw quite a bit of power.

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  9. Cedricmaker Avatar
    Cedricmaker

    This article is a good example of not just click bait, but also “how to lie with data”. Thanks for the smack in the face to them!

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  10. Axion Avatar
    Axion

    Facts. They used to be popular in the US.

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    1. Stephen Shaw Avatar
      Stephen Shaw

      Facts: Now ICE SUVs are popular.

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  11. godofdun Avatar
    godofdun

    Well said.

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  12. James Avatar
    James

    I own a budget ev, a 2020 ioniq electric. Theres LOTS of reasons to not buy an EV. But first I’ll throw my 2 cents in on public chargers. I’d say the biggest problem with fast chargers is the locations, not the volume. Like you’d expect fast chargers to be at places like malls and shopping centers. So why the hell is my local one at the post office? (level 3 charger, not level 2 for employee charging during the day or electric post office utility vehicles). Also they’re almost never in “EV only parking spots” and most people don’t even know what they are, so 9/10 times someones parked in the spot for the charger and congrats you cant use it. But even then the public infrastructure sucks. Like you need a 350kw charger to hit these fast charge times, most of them are 50kw. This isn’t even including how most of them (around here at least) can barely hit 25kw, regardless of its rating.

    So as for the real EV issues, I also live in NY, and I lose 45% of my range in the winter, which hurts the “EV saves u money” proposition pretty heavily as now I’m charging almost twice as much for 5-6 months of the year. It also means on days I work during the winter I am limited on what I can do outside of work, unless I want to go sit at the post office for an hour. Also theres the fact it has special, narrower tires that cost more and are harder to find than the hybrid, and replacing those tires with normal ones will hurt the already limited range. Its really heavy compared to the non EV counterpart, and with that and the smaller tires comes worse handling and braking.

    I love my little ioniq ev, as a big guy and a truck lover I thought I was going to regret ever touching something electric. My only major regret was jumping the gun on the full electric and not getting a PHEV, as I think the PHEV would of done me much better, which is my honest advice to most people. EV’s themselves just aren’t ready yet, if you want a plug get a PHEV.

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    1. Paul D Avatar
      Paul D

      @James Well said. Location of the chargers is a big part of the problem, they simply aren’t where people need them to be for their daily activities & travel.

      I have a PHEV and therefore have zero range anxiety. I have been looking at picking up a used Ionic Electric to have for the purely “around town” errands and keep my PHEV for the city-to-city and out-of-state trips.

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  13. tommays56 Avatar
    tommays56

    Just visited my Grandchildren SC to NY and all the recently renovated REST areas our again CHARGING FREE other than Maryland House and a few Jersey Turnpike

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  14. Paul D Avatar
    Paul D

    Using math and logic Alex to refute a claim? How dare you! (Insert Greta Thunberg meme here)

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  15. Matthew Prather Avatar
    Matthew Prather

    More employers should make L1 and L2 chargers available for their employees.. Solves multiple problems in one cheap and easy investment. Even apartment dwellers need to have jobs, right? 🙂

    I agree that there are enough total plugs, but the distribution could be optimized.

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  16. Clark Kent Avatar
    Clark Kent

    Now that I am retired, I have the time to research the validity of the articles that I read and find that most, while stating a fact, are totally misleading in reality just as you have pointed out.

    People must realize that it is someone’s job to write articles and make up click bate titles and that is all they do for a living. They cannot be burdened by facts or reality. And as you stated, even articles from well know companies or financial industries are not written by established, well paid, experienced employees but but some intern pumping out dubious articles with little attachment to reality.

    We have become social media and YT video zombies looking for brains we no longer have.

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  17. Tom Taylor Avatar
    Tom Taylor

    Business Insider is known for playing fast and loose with the buzz words and fact-checking; just another site that cares more about clicks than facts.

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  18. Clark Kent Avatar
    Clark Kent

    I have no intention of buying a hybrid, PHEV, or EV. But I am happy to see one on the road as it means more and cheaper gas for those of us that are old school. I fail to understand why anyone would be against them being available as an option.

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    1. evtrekker13 Avatar
      evtrekker13

      I’m considering this vanity plate. “MOGAS4U”

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  19. Alfred Johnson Avatar
    Alfred Johnson

    I wonder if the generating capacity of the grid is great enough to handle say 200 million electric vehicles. Of course, it will be a while before there are anywhere near that many in the US.

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  20. Jarmel Avatar
    Jarmel

    👏👏ALEX, LOOKIN GOOD ALL SLIMMED DOWN ….GREAT VID.. I LEARNED SOMETHIN ……….HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE ✌️

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