Are used EVs a rip-off?!

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Mat's got his hands on one of the least expensive electrical and trucks in the entire of the UK, and he will find out just how the efficiency & variety of the and truck has actually altered from when it was first launched.

The vehicle's a first-generation , and Mat bought it through for just ₤ 1,500. When it was very first launched it would have cost from around ₤ 21,000, which even consisted of a ₤ 5,000 federal government grant! So despite the fact that it wasn't the most expensive automobile when it was first launched, there's no rejecting Mat managed to pick this one up for a little bit of a bargain!

As new, the Nissan featured a 24kWh battery pack that was good for a declared variety of as much as 124 miles. It also had a single electrical motor that drove the front wheels just and had the ability to put down 109hp.

The concern is, with the optimum declared variety already fairly low, will Mat have any possibility of reaching his final destination? And what exactly will take place when the vehicle lastly lacks charge? You'll require to stick to Mat and see on your own!

Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:18 Range Test Start
08:45 Style
10:32 Interior
12:35 Boot
13:22 Range Test Cont.
14:31 Battery Health
19:39 Range Test End

Comments

90 responses to “Are used EVs a rip-off?!”

  1. @carwow Avatar
    @carwow

    Sell your car for free with Carwow: https://bit.ly/-Sell-Your-Car-For-Free-1004

    1. @user-ry9qz2ce4j Avatar
      @user-ry9qz2ce4j

      I have not even a car 😅 im 8…

    2. @zlozlozlo Avatar
      @zlozlozlo

      No thanks, if I’m gonna sell my car, I expect to get some money for it. Technically, “selling something for free” isn’t really selling, that’s just giving it away.

    3. @purwantiallan5089 Avatar
      @purwantiallan5089

      The Nissan Leaf looked good,​@@zlozlozlo

    4. @ivorton23 Avatar
      @ivorton23

      EVs are still rubbish

    5. @princeking1562 Avatar
      @princeking1562

      @@zlozlozlo Glad you said it 😂

  2. @nedialkosimonov3893 Avatar
    @nedialkosimonov3893

    Cost of new battery= new Nissan 😂😂😂

    1. @hassyg4083 Avatar
      @hassyg4083

      = cost of German car options

    2. @NeverGonnaGiveYouUp71 Avatar
      @NeverGonnaGiveYouUp71

      = cost of Rolls Royce button

    3. @jonasweber9408 Avatar
      @jonasweber9408

      You understand you also have to pay for the work hours?

    4. @Vortex001_MLG Avatar
      @Vortex001_MLG

      DANKPODS NUGGET!

    5. @Brian-om2hh Avatar
      @Brian-om2hh

      Why would you buy a new battery, when refurbishing the existing battery would cost around the same as fitting a clutch in an ICE car? It seems you’ve not heard of battery pack refurbs.. There are already EV specialists doing this work. You just didn’t know anything about them….

  3. @TheAegisClaw Avatar
    @TheAegisClaw

    I still have one of these, alongside my Kia EV6. Its not a long range, but fine as a city commuter. Costs virtually nothing to run, and if you can buy them for £1500 thats less than an electric bicycle.

    1. @ybergik Avatar
      @ybergik

      I’d take the electic bicycle

    2. @chrishart8548 Avatar
      @chrishart8548

      ​@@ybergikthe car has free road tax. I would always take a car over a bicycle. Unless they start sorting out decent cycling routes.

    3. @wizzyno1566 Avatar
      @wizzyno1566

      ​@@chrishart8548even then… Rain.

    4. @Brian-om2hh Avatar
      @Brian-om2hh

      @@ybergik Of course you’d take the electric bike, because getting pi$$ed wet through is fun, isn’t it?

    5. @techtt6213 Avatar
      @techtt6213

      Well there’s more cost involved, like insurance for the car, bike doesn’t have that

  4. @user-nz3xm5cl8k Avatar
    @user-nz3xm5cl8k

    My 2014 Leaf, with 240.000km with around 70% SOH. Clocks daily 75km, with no problems and still some electrons left for a few more km, so a great commuter.

    1. @hassyg4083 Avatar
      @hassyg4083

      if it was German combustion car it would be broken down by then

    2. @Flackoknows Avatar
      @Flackoknows

      never had such a problem with my petrol car I don’t even check the range 🤣😂😂😂😂

    3. @Stepbystep74 Avatar
      @Stepbystep74

      @@Flackoknowsinteresting, you should probably have your engine serviced…

    4. @wizzyno1566 Avatar
      @wizzyno1566

      ​@@hassyg4083not really.

    5. @Galacticmaster Avatar
      @Galacticmaster

      has it still any warranty left?

  5. @TheAegisClaw Avatar
    @TheAegisClaw

    The damp smell is because you darent run the heater because of its effect on the range. Condensation over years means… damp. Mine is the same, even with the black spots on the seatbelts.😂

    1. @teddy6888 Avatar
      @teddy6888

      And in my petrol cars, I run the A/C all the time with no worries on range. In the winter, the A/C acts as a dehumidifier with heat. And cools in the summer. My oldest car is now 14 years old, and I’ve serviced and repaired everything myself since new on all my cars. There are no issues on any of them even after 14 years. I would have an older car from 2005 but had to get ride of that due to ULEZ. Only time I need to take to a garage is for MOT, AC regas, wheel alignment and tire replacement as all that needs calibrated equipment that is not practical to buy for a few cars at home. All other repairs are possible at home with petrol and it works as good as new after so many years. That can’t be said for EV

    2. @grabedigger Avatar
      @grabedigger

      @@teddy6888 I do not agree on that AC thing.
      I used to do Lisbon to Porto in Portugal in the summer, some outrageous 40 degree celcius, it would take the car some 25€ of diesel to reach 30km north of Porto, making it a total 360km (223 mile) range trip driving at 120kmh (70mph) (mostly), this in the winter. In the summer, as soon as AC was needed, it would munch more 10€ of diesel, making it 35€, if I wanted to reach Porto (or Lisbon in the way back) still alive and not cooked by the southern european summer sun.
      AC will take a toll on the overal car consumption and is no joke on a 2.0l diesel engine, In the summer my cost with fuel would go up by a noticeable amount, sometimes more 30 to 40€ in general, all because I was using AC more than not.
      Nowadays EVs can do that trip in one charge that will cost you about 5€ with the AC on, you reach your destination still with charge like some 10 to 15% and can charge it while having lunch, sleeping or working.
      About repairability, in that regard you are right, but the trend is the same all over, from computers to cars…I can service my diesel car, at home, easily. Can’t say the same about the EV. But, new ICE cars follow the same trend, it is almost impossible to repair a Mercedes at home, they even have hidden batteries that will lock the car if you dare to disconect the main one.
      My take on this, keep your old cars running for as long as possible, because the future ir bleak for both EV and ICE.

    3. @gary3074 Avatar
      @gary3074

      Haven’t you figured out to run the heater while charging using the Climate timer? Pity….

    4. @TheAegisClaw Avatar
      @TheAegisClaw

      @@teddy6888 well I’ve replaced a ball joint and brake pads on the leaf myself. There’s not really much else to do on it…

    5. @andystoe9984 Avatar
      @andystoe9984

      Most overtaken car after a 3 wheeler just slowing down the traffic everywhere 😂

  6. @iantullie Avatar
    @iantullie

    Love the Leaf. I’ve got a 2014 24kWh with 80k on the clock and it still on full SOH, and will do 80 miles on a warm day, can carry 4 people and a decent amount of luggage and it’s very comfortable. Cheap motoring if you don’t need the range or if you have the luxury of it being a second car.

    1. @noggintube Avatar
      @noggintube

      People justify these things as if they are ancient cars – it’s only 10 years old 😂. An ICE of the same age has no compromise on using as ‘just a local commuter’.

    2. @PedalPowerPanther Avatar
      @PedalPowerPanther

      But then an ice car costs £1000s in fuel, £100s in servicing and kills people with asthma. But hey, why compromise?

    3. @Stubbari Avatar
      @Stubbari

      @@noggintube A 10 year old car costs much more to run as a “local commuter”.

    4. @noggintube Avatar
      @noggintube

      @@Stubbari re-read my post. I’m saying it doesn’t have the compromise of solely being used as a local commuter. It can do everything needed, whereas a 10 year leaf is pretty much stuck as a local car. I agree that’s ok if all that’s needed, but it’s an expensive item to do just that.

    5. @Stubbari Avatar
      @Stubbari

      @@noggintube Ah, I totally misinterpreted what you were saying.

  7. @bugone2 Avatar
    @bugone2

    My 2013 Leaf still has >80% original capacity and does most things it did when new. The biggest issue is that the tech mas moved on massively, and with it peoples expectations.

    1. @diegoyuiop Avatar
      @diegoyuiop

      How many miles more or less?

    2. @aussie2uGA Avatar
      @aussie2uGA

      You must live in a cold climate. In places like Florida, the Leaf’s of this era all died due to Nissan’s decision not to cool them.

    3. @purwantiallan5089 Avatar
      @purwantiallan5089

      ​@@aussie2uGAwell seems like it turned to be a costly decision for Nissan.

    4. @Jagggggg88 Avatar
      @Jagggggg88

      The problem isn’t the range decline but that some battery’s cells sometimes go short what requires immediately needs repairing

    5. @51madmitch Avatar
      @51madmitch

      So did this one but after full charge only 54 miles range.

  8. @ladalout245 Avatar
    @ladalout245

    Great review Matt, confirmed everything I was thinking, looking for a cheap car for the Mrs to do a 6 mile daily commute and the Leaf looks like the answer, especially when she’s a new driver that doesn’t like changing gear!

    1. @Rampagedd Avatar
      @Rampagedd

      😬 friend had a new EV jag, new. Within 3 months, multiple breakdowns. Problem is when electric cars go wrong, you can’t move them. His issue was country lane (narrow) car gave up (all lights stopped working so no hazard lights) and can’t be towed, has to be lifted. His kids were in that car. The health hazard that caused alone meant he quickly got rid of it. Get your Mrs a combustion engine.

    2. @smileychess Avatar
      @smileychess

      The Leaf is a good car for around town. Very reliable (especially compared to that guy’s Jag haha).

    3. @fremue9312 Avatar
      @fremue9312

      @@Rampagedd Yes 1 is a really good sample size… Just because you know someone whose EV broke down doesnt mean all of them do. In fact, its much more likely to break down in a used ICE car compared to a used EV because there is much more that can go wrong. And what kind of health hazard are you talking about?

    4. @Rampagedd Avatar
      @Rampagedd

      @@fremue9312 to expand, the fleet vehicles with const, engine, housing comp I work with have seemingly all gone back as faulty, new cars? Colleagues ‘zoe EV’ issue with headlight had head the car off the road for months as can’t be fixed 🤣 please, it’s your money. Atleast it’s not so bad when our companies paying for the mistake..back to combu engine 😄 give it another 10 years.

  9. @jzilla1234 Avatar
    @jzilla1234

    Id buy that 60 miles is way more than enough for my 5 miles daily commute

    1. @rusbiology3460 Avatar
      @rusbiology3460

      5 милей? Так можно на велосипеде доехать:)

    2. @ziggarillo Avatar
      @ziggarillo

      ​@@rusbiology3460 He could walk, but perhaps he prefers to drive.

    3. @bikeman123 Avatar
      @bikeman123

      And isnt that the problem. EVs are just encouraging car use.

    4. @hamish2739 Avatar
      @hamish2739

      @@bikeman123atleast they have no emissions

    5. @mro9466 Avatar
      @mro9466

      ​@@hamish2739 they still produce tire dust

  10. @GavClifton Avatar
    @GavClifton

    Matt failed to mention it only cost £3.75 at current kWh price to fully charge it.. If you work close to home or just do the school run 2x a day this would easily do you 5 days without charging. People need to realise it’s a town/ city car

    1. @chrishart8548 Avatar
      @chrishart8548

      £1.80 at 7.5p per kwh if 24kw battery

    2. @cuprashoe Avatar
      @cuprashoe

      That’s it, I’m not a EV owner mainly because I live in the Dale’s but if I lived in the city and only did a few miles a day this wouldn’t be a bad buy

    3. @Brian-om2hh Avatar
      @Brian-om2hh

      @@cuprashoe Even the Yorkshire Dales has EV charging…. at least there is at the community owned petrol station in Hawes, North Yorkshire…..

    4. @raduf.3873 Avatar
      @raduf.3873

      bro i put petrol in my city car once a month how the hell can you argue for electric under any circumstance

    5. @olliewebbuk Avatar
      @olliewebbuk

      @@raduf.3873 My EV does the equivalent of 230+ mpg and an do 0-60 mph in 3.8 seconds. Can your city car?

  11. @honeybadger2600 Avatar
    @honeybadger2600

    I have a 2013 Leaf in Sri Lanka.Most of the cars of similar age and mileage in Sri Lanka have less than 50% of it’s battery left by now(Mine barely managed 30 miles when i bought it lol).It’s probably because the hotter climate coupled with the fact that the thing doesn’t have an active cooling system for the battery unlike almost every other ev.So i swapped in a 30kWh battery pack and it runs like new.Btw mine has that exact same issue with the front window motors lol.As you said it’s a fun little thing to drive and i love it.And considering it’s the first remotely affordable mass produced ev, i think it’s holding up pretty well.

    1. @Kraven83 Avatar
      @Kraven83

      How much did it cost you to swap the battery pack, in dollars or euro?

    2. @honeybadger2600 Avatar
      @honeybadger2600

      @@Kraven83 about 5k USD.

  12. @Jaw0lf Avatar
    @Jaw0lf

    Old Nissan Leaf, is an original and very early EV. The battery is small at 24kWH but has very little of the new battery protection tech that is in the newer EV’s. At £1500 it is a great run around, where you can charge at home overnight. You should try this with a 4 or 5 year old EV and see how good that is.

  13. @ricco123tube Avatar
    @ricco123tube

    It’s a shame the original leaf had no battery thermal management and a battery chemistry that was barely up for the job.
    How times have changed.

    1. @markgt894 Avatar
      @markgt894

      Same with milk floats, battery much improved now

  14. @Iain_C Avatar
    @Iain_C

    £1500 bargain. I owned one of these for 3 years, first car I bought online but wasn’t paranoid like an Ice car. Was faultless. £22 per 1000 miles. Never saw turtle mode. EVs don’t suit all but was great for us.

    1. @markgt894 Avatar
      @markgt894

      Much rather have a naturally aspirated V8, V10 or V12

    2. @PozzaPizz Avatar
      @PozzaPizz

      ​@@markgt894what in the heck are you talking about lol these cars are the gas equivalent of an i4 1.5L,id rather not hear that thing at all

    3. @Twin.motors Avatar
      @Twin.motors

      So you’re saying a V12 Lamborghini would be better than a Dacia Sandero? Wow.. what a revelation, you should let the world know of this fantastic discovery ​@@markgt894

    4. @seanmichaelp724 Avatar
      @seanmichaelp724

      ​@@markgt894what are you trying to prove with this comment? Absolute moron.

    5. @alphatrion100 Avatar
      @alphatrion100

      Not when they’re 10 years old

  15. @johnwilson8582 Avatar
    @johnwilson8582

    The early leafs had the worst battery chemistry, and no thermal management. Undoubtedly fully charged to 100% after every trip. Both of which killed the battery much quicker than more modern ones.

    1. @thelolsamshow Avatar
      @thelolsamshow

      Yes and also they have very few high voltage cells instead of many low voltage cells, which is cost efficient when producing but not very well for long term life of the batteries.

    2. @markmonroe7330 Avatar
      @markmonroe7330

      The same thing will be said about today’s wonder EV’s in 10-15 years as well. This, of course, means that your 1-3 year old EV today will be just as worthless in value in less than a decade as this Leaf.

    3. @thelolsamshow Avatar
      @thelolsamshow

      @@markmonroe7330 not if you buy a NIO, then you will just upgrade your battery.

    4. @CrazyTechLab Avatar
      @CrazyTechLab

      ​@@markmonroe7330 Depends. The battery tech today is vastly superior to 10 years ago, which means a modern EV should hold its capacity/age less than an original Leaf so you’ll have way more capacity left both in percentage terms but also because it had more to start with. Unless there’s a dramatic shift in tech, such as solid state batteries that double the range and lower the weight or something, you won’t see nearly as much crap around. Sure they will still have lost capacity, but you’re average 300 mile Tesla Model 3 will still be able to do 3/4 times the range of this leaf.

    5. @SimonDewey70 Avatar
      @SimonDewey70

      @@markmonroe7330 incorrect battery chemistry has changed significantly in the last 10 years, new batteries have cars running high mileages ie over 250k with minor degradation https://youtu.be/tcJrUrp_Ygs?si=lYJXhkG3QlRRIgf_ and this will only improve. Also ICE cars also degrade over time ie they have huge hp losses, their mpg decreases yet no one seems to think that is news worthy.

  16. @SusieSmart Avatar
    @SusieSmart

    9 bars in a LEAF doesn’t mean it’s got 75% left, it means the SOH is somewhere between 66.25 and 72.5%

    1. @kitcht Avatar
      @kitcht

      Exactly this. The degradation on the battery means the range is compromised. Most likely due to rapid charging too much.

    2. @SusieSmart Avatar
      @SusieSmart

      @@kitcht probably, either that or it’s just because it’s a very early LEAF (made clear by the light colour interior and intrusion into the boot from where I believe the inverter / charging electronics are). The very early ones were known to have pretty terrible batteries and they were quickly changed. The later 24kWh batteries appear to be the most robust of the earlier shape LEAF’s as the 30kWh is known to degrade quite fast especially if rapid charged a lot.

    3. @GoldenCroc Avatar
      @GoldenCroc

      Yep, its a non-linear gauge.

    4. @gary3074 Avatar
      @gary3074

      @@kitchtnope. The Leaf battery declines with age, regardless of charging history….

    5. @smileychess Avatar
      @smileychess

      @@gary3074- The difference between “perfect” and “terrible” charging behaviors will determine whether your battery lasts 3 years or 20. This is according to several really detailed studies on the topic.

      Not only that, but the Leaf is especially sensitive to your charging habits, because it has no thermal management.

  17. @jonathan102 Avatar
    @jonathan102

    The Leaf is notorious for their battery health since it is not actually actively cooled so they don’t last very long

    1. @gary3074 Avatar
      @gary3074

      There’s not much evidence that lack of active cooling is the issue compared to simply the battery chemistry. Leafs in very moderate climates that hardly get hot show similar degradation.

  18. @DrekiTech Avatar
    @DrekiTech

    When I owned a Leaf I plug in every night at home. I had a routine 30km consistent commute, and when I sold the car on it had 125,000 KM with plenty of life left 11/12 bars. It’s not a road trip car but for it covered all my city driving entirely, without ever stopping to charge during the day. Perfect for families who want a second car to get off of gas, and cheap as heck to buy.

  19. @MultiSkuz Avatar
    @MultiSkuz

    Nissan Mastertech here, There was a a software update to this model that takes into account long term bettery degradation for the erratic range shown on the dash, In most cases once this is done our customers report its vastly improved =)

  20. @lauda-Love Avatar
    @lauda-Love

    thats gotta be the Worse condition i have seen for a 45k miles driven car

    1. @Ben-oy1td Avatar
      @Ben-oy1td

      Worst

    2. @TempoLOOKING Avatar
      @TempoLOOKING

      ​@@Ben-oy1tdyou own a Gwiz?

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