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You don’t NEED a massive battery! Nicola shows us why š
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Indeed. I have a Volvo EX30 extended range which does about 240 miles in the real world. I very rarely do long journeys and my commute is 50 miles so just plug it in to a 3 pin.plug when I get home and it gives me that 50 miles back overnight. It’s no drama and trickle charging it at 2.0kwh is much kinder to the battery than aggressively rapid charging it.
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It’s only a problem if you charge above 80%, and then the charging slows down anyway
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I don’t use rapid chargers….I just don’t need to in my daily driving….and I don’t need to invest in a dedicated home charger either
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Naaah
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The REAL question is…… Do i really need an (electric) car if my average is 15 miles a day??
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Maybe it is the opposite question. If my average is 15 miles a day, who would buy an ICE car? Engine would never warm up enough and so give far worse economy because of it.
I changed as my BMW 325 that could on longer runs give me 40mpg, but most of the time was just 25mpg. Now have a brilliant BMW i3 that is just as fast, just as fun (possibly the only cheap EV that is fun by the way). I run rings round the fools in their overweight donkeys. -
You could use a bicycle. šš» But for those of us with dodgy knees or who melt in the rain an electric car makes perfect sense. With the incredibly low overnight electricity tariff I have my electric car cost less than a penny a mile to run. For those who say electric cars cost too much or have dreadful depreciation I like to point out that the “dreadful depreciation” creates great secondhand bargains. šš»Ā£Ā£
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I have been thinking the same thing recently… I travel about 15 miles a day, less in winter, to get my favourite ice cream from Bernie’s ice cream van. Maybe I don’t need an EV or ice car… But an ice cream van of my own.
Might get some funny looks picking up my click and collect shopping order. š
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As a Canadian, I do wish that cars would be listed with their winter range as well! I donāt need a 400km range necessarily (although itās nice to have), but in the winter that can drop to like 200km which is a huge difference.
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They wouldnt lose more than 25% range
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Well considering they can’t even manage an accurate real-world range indication in good weather, what makes you think they could account for all the additional variables that winter driving has? Poorly cleared roads affect efficiency, colder temperatures affect efficiency, how much you have the heat on and other things in the cabin, etc.
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It’s not just the battery but the efficiency of the car it’s on. The chemistry also matters. If it’s NMC or NCM, you’ve gotta get used to only using 80% of it most of the time, so a 50kWh battery is really a 40 for 6 days of the week. That 40 becomes 32 or less in winter depending on the car and equipment.
The right size battery should be able to get you a round trip on your longest regular drive without stopping to charge. Factor in passengers and winter and that pushes the need higher.
What we need is more batteries with the ability to use all of the capacity without worrying about degradation. Lighter ones with higher capacity as well for smaller cars
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Yep, my BMW i3 with just 33kWh is ideal for me. I cannot charge at home, it is rarely at 80% and I NEVER make a special trip to charge it.
I have regular trips to hospital, so charge there. When shopping, I charge. When going for a coffee meet up with friends, I charge. I use the lower spec chargers that the big fat ugly wobble donkeys would consider pointless. -
The silly argument that you only need a small battery is getting boring now. There’s only one reason they’re small and that is the technology available at the moment. Nobody had 250 mile range ICE cars, neither should EVs. To prove this point, look at all the recently released cars that claim 500 mile range. Stop this nonsense about EV range being perfectly adequate!
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My Frontera electric has an effective battery range of 135 miles, I only need to charge it overnight once a week at 3.49 pence per kWh. With 3.75 miles per kW I’m paying less the 1p a mile, how much is petrol?
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I think we should talk in driving hours. I get about 2 hours of battery from 80% to 20% on the motorway and 5 hours of driving when mixed use.
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With a good efficiency, the battery will be small too.
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What’s needed isa charging network that is fit for purpose and sensibly priced. Until then a large battery is a prerequisite of any EV.
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Iād venture to sayā¦ a 250 kWh battery would suffice for most people. Probably 90% of our driving is local, likely no more than 35 miles per day. But that size battery would still work for occasional roadtrips, since driving two hours straight is far enough to then take a break and plug in.
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Maybe for you silly Brits with no concept of what a real long drive is. But as a Canadian who frequently drives for 3-4 hours to take my kid to hockey games (and 3-4 hours back home), we don’t even think of stopping for at least 3 hours. And then it’s usually only a short stop to grab a drink and empty out bladders and maybe put more gas in the tank. Having to make that 10 minute or less stop become a 30+ minute stop isn’t viable.
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@dealbreakerc NOT my experience here in the Southwest Desert. If our destination is 4 hours away, weād need to stop halfway there. Since we took delivery of our Ioniq 5, weāve plugged in at DCFC stations 119 times on roadtrips. The length of time to recharge to 80% has averagedā¦ 14 minutes! Perfect to visit the restrooms.
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Oh Nicola you make the perfect woman for any man. You are so beautiful ā¤ . Your car knowledge is amazing too.
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Finally, the realisation appears on the horizon. Use the data, not the marketing spiel.
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Yes, you are exactly right. I just happen to be one of those people that drive approximately 250 miles per day, in the United States ,northern Indiana, where the winters are cold. at the moment I own 7 different electric vehicles . for five years now for my work. so my needs are definitely going to be different than a person just driving five or 10 miles to work and back home each day. my favorite vehicle for what I do is the 2024 Silverado EV with 450 miles of range, the weight to control a trailer behind it is perfect. very nice to maintain stable control on ice and drive through 2 foot snow drifts with no problem ,to DC fast charge up to 370 kW when I do need to go longer trips. one of the big advantages to having a little bigger battery or a much bigger battery for that matter is the fact that when a person does need to do a longer trip, you are not paying those extremely high prices for DC fast charges nearly as much because you start off from home with 450 miles of range with the Silverado and if you start off at home with 150 miles of range with one of the shorter ones or smaller batteries, you can see the cost is going to be quite a bit higher for your overall trip if you go on a longer trips. so there are pros or cons both ways and certainly you are right that one personās lifestyle and daily needs are much different from on other person. from one part of the country to another part of the country ,from one climate to another climate, one of the biggest issues that weāre still dealing with is 0Ā° to 5Ā° above zero is extremely less range for almost all batteries. Things are certainly improving, but there are so many factors to think about when figuring out what size of battery fits a personās lifestyle.
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Excellent pointā¦ I drive an āurbanā EV with a 28 kWh battery, and itās far more than I could ever need. I have no desire to drive an urban vehicle on a long road trip, so I have no desire for more.
Meanwhile, I have a full ātankā every morning, with fully automatic climate control, power seats (with memory), cruise control, four doors, heated seats, a heat reflecting windscreen, CarPlay, and 520L of cargo capacity.
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Drove 5 hours in my MG4 Long Range yesterday. From 100%, still have 27% left.
Never had to charge it at a public charger. The only time I would need to is if we’re staying somewhere for a week, and are driving around the area every day.
But even then, I could probably use the granny charger at the hotel/lodge/airbnb
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I agree with what you are saying, but sometimes you want to drive like āFast and Furiousā and other times you maybe going from Nottingham to Aberdeen in Scotland. Than big batteries help
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This is why I bought the 39kWh Kona instead of the way more expensive 64kWh version ā¤
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My driving needs are fairly modest these days, and a relatively small battery would normally suit me fine. However, I do like my “toys” in a car and most manufacturers only offer their higher-specced models with their larger battery offerings. Let’s see if this year’s new releases buck that trend.
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