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Kilowatt Half Hour Ep 58 : Santa’s new sleigh , hydrogen returns and Nisonda. Or is it Honsan?

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29 responses to “Kilowatt Half Hour Ep 58 : Santa’s new sleigh , hydrogen returns and Nisonda. Or is it Honsan?”

  1. @Dubnoreix Avatar
    @Dubnoreix

    We’ve been hearing about hydrogen’s comeback for years now. It’s not going to happen. Such a waste of time and money.

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    1. @crm114. Avatar
      @crm114.

      Yep, for cars, hydrogen is DOA.

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    2. @Dubnoreix Avatar
      @Dubnoreix

      @, exactly. For some industrial applications it might be an interesting option, but not for cars and even less and less for other vehicles like trucks, planes and ships where we see BEV-version showing up.

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    3. @johnnodge4327 Avatar
      @johnnodge4327

      Unfortunately some people, including the fossil fuel industry seem to think the laws of physics can be changed, to make H2 a useful road fuel, which it won’t, at least not successfully.

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    4. @robsmith1a Avatar
      @robsmith1a

      It’s just like nuclear fusion, just over the horizon

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    5. @johnnodge4327 Avatar
      @johnnodge4327

      With H2 costing twice as much as diesel per mile, and electricity on a suitable tariff costing ¼ the price of diesel, I can’t see H2 catching on. Then there’s the issue that most H2 available is made by steam reformation of natural gas (methane), it’s not a low carbon fuel either, far from it. So again the EV wins there too. The only advantage with H2 is a rapid fill, but even good EVs are fast to charge now. Our Ioniq 5 charges faster than we need, often finishing the charge before we’re ready to continue our journey.
      Of course for local driving, there’s no need to go anywhere to charge it, as it happens overnight, while we’re sleeping.

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  2. @ricco123tube Avatar
    @ricco123tube

    Please also get the EV3 Air spec VS a GT line S with a heat pump for a winter test.
    Does the Air with the smaller wheels and better efficiency match the less efficient and much more expensive GT line S with the optional heat pump?

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  3. @markgarnett3521 Avatar
    @markgarnett3521

    I thought the hydrogen filling station at Beaconsfield had been shut for several years? When I first started in my EV there was 9 hydrogen filling stations in the uk (according zapmap) , more recently was down to about 3 but today I can’t seem to find any filter for hydrogen.

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    1. @use-oc4mj6n Avatar
      @use-oc4mj6n

      Transporting hydrogen to filling stations is the main issue.

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  4. @neilrwilliams218 Avatar
    @neilrwilliams218

    If you’re doing a heat pump comparison and are using the EV3, also include an Air model which has smaller wheels – you could then tell which is better for range, smaller wheels or the heat pump.

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  5. @DFowlesVWID7Tourer Avatar
    @DFowlesVWID7Tourer

    WLTP is not perfect but it is at leasy consistently applied. The ‘trick’ will be how you can fairly factor each car to a level playing field of real mileage. Every test you do will be subject to variability.
    I think what gets missed the most is the fact that testing takes place on a rolling road and the biggest factor on any vehicles fuel efficiency is aerodynamic drag. As you know driving any car at 50mph is far more efficient than driving at 70mph and probably more so in an EV. So you can have a WLTP figure for something like a Van or a boxy EV like and Explorer being artificailly boosted compared to something sleek like a Tesla or a VW ID7 as it is not taking into account any air resistance as the vehicle is staionary. This gives further inaccuracies.
    I think the best tests are when you all get together on a road trip[ or at a circuit and drive collectively in a range of cars at the same time and conditions and compare them directly at that point in time. Not perfect but it would give a relative performance and sense of realism?

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  6. @DFowlesVWID7Tourer Avatar
    @DFowlesVWID7Tourer

    I got a heat pump option not based on it paying for itself but for that extra efficiency even though it might only have a 7% improvement it will give me more effective heaing of the cabin when I need it and fast preconditioning on those winter trips !

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  7. @robertglass2144 Avatar
    @robertglass2144

    Merry Christmas to all the team and thanks for all the reviews which helped us to decide to become EV owners this year a Hyundai Kona ultimate 2024 plate and absolutely loving EV life

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  8. @tonybarton3746 Avatar
    @tonybarton3746

    Happy Christmas to all at Electrifying ⛄️❄️🎄🎅🤶😊👍👍

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  9. @Petelmrg Avatar
    @Petelmrg

    I’d love to know your thoughts on the latest trend: after years of reviewers (and customers) complaining about shiny black plastic all over the cabin, manufacturers finally seemed to have listened – BUT – now they are putting it around wheels arches and lower areas back and front that collect the most grime. Do they have stockpiles to use up?

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  10. @storkychapy Avatar
    @storkychapy

    It’s time to extend to the Kilowatt Hour. You always go over and this episode was just shy of an hour. I’d watch for an hour. Love the podcast. Great work team.

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    1. @PattyTheGeek Avatar
      @PattyTheGeek

      Agree… it’s even within the theme… kWh!

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    2. @TassieEV Avatar
      @TassieEV

      Agreed..should be Kilowatt Hour

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  11. @whittaker52 Avatar
    @whittaker52

    It feels like the people who do the WLTP testing need to come up with a new unified test that looks at the worst case scenario alongside sweet-spot testing in ideal conditions, so there’s a much clearer idea of exactly how a efficiently a car performs, the sort of thing that could be repeated in a test chamber in freezing conditions, fully loaded in a wind tunnel. At least then figures would be more representative of what purchasers could expect when it’s on their driveway. I could see brands not liking it, but I think people would feel more comfortable in what they’re buying by being more informed. Similar testing could also be applied to ICE cars so they reflect more representative figures too.

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  12. @martinwray7001 Avatar
    @martinwray7001

    Thanks guys and girls. Happy Christmas.

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  13. @StevePowell Avatar
    @StevePowell

    love the kilowatt half hour. On efficiency, perhaps you could quote the EV Database summer and winter range estimates as they always seem much more realistic and are available very quickly after general vehicle availability?

    Have a great holiday break and look forward to watching you again in the New Year.

    Steve

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    1. @RonStanley-u4h Avatar
      @RonStanley-u4h

      I use the EV Database and overall it gives a good idea of range estimates in different conditions. However, they don’t seem to mention whether or not they are including a heat pump or not on cars where that is an option.

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  14. @stephenwensley Avatar
    @stephenwensley

    Citroen could turn that Citroen H van sleigh design into a very stylish VW ID Buzz competitor. Instead of a California camper version, perhaps they could have a Lapland winterised camper version

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  15. @Jaw0lf Avatar
    @Jaw0lf

    Another great episode and a little longer than half an hour and I was pleased it was! Merry Christmasto the whole crew and thank you for all you have done this year.

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  16. @PattyTheGeek Avatar
    @PattyTheGeek

    I think the Honda E was a delightful cute looker. If it had been priced right and available in more markets it would have flown right out of the dealerships. If I were younger and more spry I would have wanted one of those little get around town buggies. It reminded me of my younger days. I think it’s a crazy miss that Honda hasn’t brought the Element back as an electric vehicle. That thing was great for courier delivery stuff and pet friendly. I am sad to say that I only appreciated the real flexible utility of it once it was ending production. I do hope that Honda sorts themselves out and kicks it into an electric gear.

    As always, I enjoyed my Kilowatt 45ish minutes.

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  17. @dewarmc Avatar
    @dewarmc

    I’m looking forward to Roman adding a couple of back wheels to ‘Santa’s sleigh’ and bringing back the HY Van in an EV form in the future 🙂

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  18. @TassieEV Avatar
    @TassieEV

    Thank you for a great year of podcasts and all the best for the holiday season to everyone on the channel. OMG that sexist but hilarious comment from the viewer you put out near the end, probably someone from the Clarkson zone. Personally I love your channel it’s a total reverse of many EV channels out there with more women presenters to men and that is fantastic. Keep up the great work!

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  19. @zapfanzapfan Avatar
    @zapfanzapfan

    Hydrogen seemed like a possible idea for cars… 15 years ago… then the price of batteries dropped by 90% and hydrogen became a non-starter.

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  20. @timrothwell33 Avatar
    @timrothwell33

    There’s an urban myth developed that filling up a hydrogen FCEV “takes 5 minutes”. That might be true(ish) in optimal conditions but in the fantasy world where the roads are full of hydrogen FCEVs you would find it resulted in a lot of queueing. At the end of a re-fuelling session the hydrogen fuelling systems need to cool down and re-pressurise. This can take 10-15 minutes. The FCEV itself may have onboard systems to slow down the filling process too. If the weather is hot then the cooling process will take longer. No one should be under the illusion that filling up a hydrogen FCEV is like filling up a petrol/diesel ICE vehicle

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