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Separating Hydrogen Facts From Fiction – It’s Not All Sunshine & Roses, But It’s Not All Bad Either

No new tech seems to cause as many online battles as hydrogen. Is it good, it is bad? Where does the hydrogen come from? Why are we attempting to make fetch take place? Well, I talk about all that and more in this video, but the bottom line here is: This isn't a no sum video game. H2 doesn't make good sense for all applications, or indeed a plurality of applications, however I concur with numerous that there is a location for it in our absolutely no emissions future. What location precisely? Let's try to find that out together,.

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00:00 Introduction
01:57 Hydrogen (Model) Cars
05:04 Cells
08:36 The Hydrogen Itself
11:05 Some Difficulties (and Solutions).
26:50 Final Ideas.

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26 responses to “Separating Hydrogen Facts From Fiction – It’s Not All Sunshine & Roses, But It’s Not All Bad Either”

  1. @rightlanehog3151 Avatar
    @rightlanehog3151

    Alex, What emotion? Elon Who?🤔

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    1. @EVBuyersGuide Avatar
      @EVBuyersGuide

      The man knows his stuff. -Travis

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  2. @JarmelSingsKaraoke Avatar
    @JarmelSingsKaraoke

    🔥Love the Chat🔥

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  3. @guylr7390 Avatar
    @guylr7390

    Thank you for a good logical talk about the positives and negatives of hydrogen. I totally agree with you that there’s no downside of the manufacturers doing what amounts to prototype field testing and that improvements will come. In my mind full BEVs will never be the solution for everyone and that the more alternatives we have that are low or zero carbon emitting the better.

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    1. @EVBuyersGuide Avatar
      @EVBuyersGuide

      There are lots of prototypes out there, this is just a much more public facing test case. -Travis

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  4. @Y_Mike Avatar
    @Y_Mike

    Hey Alex! Good to hear some rational words on hydrogen powered vehicles. I whole heartedly agree that hydrogen is fantastic for the heavier class vehicles/use cases such as long haul semi trucks or towing with a pickup. Since the energy density of batteries today is not able to support those use cases, it only makes sense to put more time, money, and effort into researching higher density energy solutions such as different battery chemistries/packaging or hydrogen fuel cell technology. Like you mentioned, the customer base exists, the government is pushing to be more carbon neutral by the year, it doesn’t make sense to make everything work off a battery pack solely if the battery pack cannot solve today’s problems without very large setbacks/sacrifices. Keep up the great content!

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    1. @EVBuyersGuide Avatar
      @EVBuyersGuide

      Thanks for watching, we love our green(er) energy solutions! -Travis

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  5. @paul8699 Avatar
    @paul8699

    Alex seems like he reads white papers for fun but is still cool at parties.

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    1. @EVBuyersGuide Avatar
      @EVBuyersGuide

      I’ll neither confirm nor deny, just leave it a mystery. -Travis

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  6. @Anothernerdyloser314 Avatar
    @Anothernerdyloser314

    I could see hydrogen essentially being the diesel of the future. But something will need to be done about the price of fueling, as well as the guaranteed short tank life span.

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    1. @EVBuyersGuide Avatar
      @EVBuyersGuide

      It seems that the HDPE lined tanks should have a lifespan of 15 years regardless of mileage, but exact data is hard to come by.

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  7. @EmmyJune212008 Avatar
    @EmmyJune212008

    Thanks Alex. This was well presented. I’m so tired of the BEV sycophants who scream that hydrogen research is a waste of time. However, they might be outdone by the armchair scientists proclaiming hydrogen is the answer without having any sort of real understanding of the challenges and obstacles associated with hydrogen. For now, I’ll keep my gas car.

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  8. @drbunk03 Avatar
    @drbunk03

    Another super interesting video. Really appreciate the information about the promise and peril of hydrogen vehicles from hydrogen production methods to the different use cases. Also strongly agree with your point that we will need different kinds of clean energy transportation to meet the desires of consumers, whether we share their preferences or not. My brother-in-law accurately perceives that a lightning or a Rivian isn’t going to tow his giant camper to the family’s favored state park 300 miles away in any reasonable amount of time but I believe he could be persuaded to drive a fuel cell powered truck. I know it’s not really your target market, but it would be super interesting to see you “review“ some of the fuel cell big rigs that I understand are in use in CA.

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    1. @EVBuyersGuide Avatar
      @EVBuyersGuide

      If someone reached out with an offer to drive one I might be able to get him to agree to it. -Travis

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  9. @kennethkratschmar3745 Avatar
    @kennethkratschmar3745

    Great video Alex. Some rationality in this discussion is good to hear. My comment would be on use cases where FCEVs make sense. I believe in your video of the Nexo you stated that for those people that can’t charge at home or work, FCEVs may be a better option. Given the large percentage of urban dwellers fall in this category, I agree that this consumer will need another option besides a BEV once the no ICE mandates come into place. I get that BEV charging is getting faster but it will likely never be as fast as transferring a molecule. For those of us who park on the street and can’t charge, going to a fast charger and waiting even 20 min is going to be seen as an inconvenience. If you don’t believe me, the next time you go and fill up your car with gas, wait for another 15 minutes. Plus fast charging costs are going up with some sites charging ~$0.50/kWh and that won’t be getting cheaper as local grid constraints start to pile up. So this group of people not only are they going to be inconvenienced, but will also be paying a significant amount of money to drive. As I tell those around me, as you scale up, filling a BEV will get more expensive but filling a FCEV will get cheaper.

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    1. @EVBuyersGuide Avatar
      @EVBuyersGuide

      There have to be multiple avenues. -Travis

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  10. @DuesenbergJ Avatar
    @DuesenbergJ

    I had great hope for hydrogen cars for years. Love the technology and I do think they have a niche to fill. However I think the industry haven’t really stepped up soon enough and time is running out. What Tesla did right was build superchargers. With a hydrogen car you could get stuck as there is not enough hydrogen stations

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  11. @Bradimus1 Avatar
    @Bradimus1

    It’s never going to happen as anything but a niche. It’s not the renewable fuel aspect It’s producing, storing, fueling, and repair of the cars. They’ve been coasting around as this amazing battery/ICE alternative for a long time and for most applications I think will never happen.

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  12. @AmericanRoads Avatar
    @AmericanRoads

    Those taking a jab at hydrogen fuel cell vehicles for not being “renewable”… have forgotten that the manufacturing process of BEVs are not 100% renewable either.

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  13. @MistSoalar Avatar
    @MistSoalar

    Do you think FCEVs will always carry high voltage batteries?
    I think regen back to H70 is still challenging, but I wonder those fuel cell pioneers are seeking such idea.

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    1. @EVBuyersGuide Avatar
      @EVBuyersGuide

      Yes, HV batteries are needed because FCs don’t change power levels rapidly so you need a buffer just like in a hybrid.

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  14. @naveenthemachine Avatar
    @naveenthemachine

    Hydrogen isn’t the future.

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  15. @gemini-007 Avatar
    @gemini-007

    I prefer hydrogen as a home power source rather than for cars.

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  16. @PANAFRAZER Avatar
    @PANAFRAZER

    While I believe that Hydrogen has a place in energy storage when we reach a point of renewable production that outstrips our battery storage potential.
    For automotive… I just don’t see anyway to get past the storage issues to get reasonable range with the HP needed for the American consumer. If you liquify, you need to be at near absolute zero, if you use hydrogen gas, you cannot get to the density or pressures needed.

    Love to be proven wrong but o just don’t see a way you can pass batteries 😂it’s the rate of development in the sector.

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  17. @palakaman Avatar
    @palakaman

    My pipe dream for hydrogen future would be to shrink hydrogen production to maybe the size of a residential water heater that could be used to plug into at home so you can top off and leave the house with a full tank.

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  18. @palakaman Avatar
    @palakaman

    Isn’t one of the drawbacks of hydrogen that it would all leak out over a short time? Like, leave it parked for a week and you would come back to an empty tank?

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