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How far can electric cars REALLY go?? – we drive 12 until they DIE! Tesla, BYD & more | What Car?

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How far can electric and trucks actually enter the winter? We drive 12 EVs– including the Tesla Design 3, , and – till they die to learn.

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48 responses to “How far can electric cars REALLY go?? – we drive 12 until they DIE! Tesla, BYD & more | What Car?”

  1. @wasbeen Avatar
    @wasbeen

    The heat pump makes a much bigger difference with short daily journeys, bringing the batter and cabin temperature up from cold, to body temperature each time. Constant driving makes less difference.

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    1. @tomerberman3424 Avatar
      @tomerberman3424

      But in short drives there is no range anxiety whatsoever, so again it, doesn’t make much of a difference

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    2. @noelinsua7261 Avatar
      @noelinsua7261

      Well, if you can pre-heat the car directly from the plug I guess it also works. I think heat pump is for countries with really harsh winters or cars with a small battery where you have to squeeze every km out of it.

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    3. @jonathancamp1460 Avatar
      @jonathancamp1460

      It does, it means you will get improved efficiency and therefore reduced cost. Short journeys are far more common than a constant speed drive which is not realistic for most drives @@tomerberman3424

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    4. @renofischa Avatar
      @renofischa

      And it would also make a larger difference with other manufacturers than VW-Group, because their heat pump is way worse than pretty much everyone else (Tesla, Hyundai, …). I’ve had an ID.3 with heat pump for about 3 years now and if I’d buy a VW again I’d buy it without a heat pump.

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    5. @DBGE001 Avatar
      @DBGE001

      @@noelinsua7261Below -15°C, the heat pump coefficient of performance is typically the same as a resistive heater. The heat pump makes the most sense between 0°C and 18°C.

      Reply
  2. @markdawson4625 Avatar
    @markdawson4625

    Thank you gentlemen for thoroughly explaining the importance of efficiency and that it is not all about ‘range’.

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    1. @MyRealName Avatar
      @MyRealName

      I’ll have range over efficiency, and so will everyone who uses a big car for bigger journey which is what a big car is intended for. So, EV is out of question.

      Reply
  3. @dughuff8825 Avatar
    @dughuff8825

    Great test. Wondering how the refreshed EQA would stand up in this comparison – any plans to retest it @whatcar ?

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  4. @jasiekkal Avatar
    @jasiekkal

    Why haven’t you tested any E-GMP cars? I think those cars would compare quite well in this test.

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    1. @stevenjones916 Avatar
      @stevenjones916

      Because then Tesla wouldn’t have won.

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  5. @peterwalters1989 Avatar
    @peterwalters1989

    Whilst the drop in range in EVs does have a greater impact on journeys due to charging times taking longer than filling up with fuel, the manufacturers using unrealistic claims isn’t exclusive to EV.

    My 1L ecoboost engine claims to have an MPG of 55.4 and has achieved 38 (31.5% drop) over the 5 years I have had it.

    My ID3 achieves 200 miles in colder weather against a claimed 263 range (24% drop). And does about 220-230 in the summer

    Nice to see you include home charging rates in your figures this time… nearly every EV owner uses these tariffs and it is important people know that these exist.

    Would be good if you did a similar test with ICE cars and EVs in to compare.

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    1. @dirkbester9050 Avatar
      @dirkbester9050

      Impact on longer journeys. Your daily commute remains zero time spent with overnight charging at home.

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    2. @peterwalters1989 Avatar
      @peterwalters1989

      @@dirkbester9050 agreed, definitely enjoy only going to the petrol station once every month for the second car

      Reply
  6. @keyserxx Avatar
    @keyserxx

    Epic data thanks, great job. Winter vs summer testing would also be good. Maybe if all the cars start at 20% charge you can save some time 😉
    Also tyres might play a big part in this.

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  7. @sergio_azenha Avatar
    @sergio_azenha

    I think I speak for all non-UK based viewers: would you please add the metric system equivalent to the miles and mph you mention during the video? A simple text overlayed on the video would suffice. Thank you!

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    1. @r.s.1281 Avatar
      @r.s.1281

      I completely agree. It could be done so easily and cater to SO MUCH more people…
      But it always seems like people from the UK and the US just don’t give a damn about people from the rest of the world.

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    2. @Tommmmmmmmmmmm Avatar
      @Tommmmmmmmmmmm

      They ironically probably have more viewers watching from outside the UK too

      Reply
  8. @TVstudioTrnka Avatar
    @TVstudioTrnka

    Did you also measure how much energy the cars needed to full charge again? That is much more interesting than calculate efficiency acoording to claimed usable size of battery. VW for example works in reality with some 72 kWh instead of claimed 77 kWh according to many other test and measurements.

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    1. @Kurouzzz Avatar
      @Kurouzzz

      This would indeed be very interesting and relevant to know, since the charging losses differ as well.

      Reply
  9. @ManfredvonHolstein Avatar
    @ManfredvonHolstein

    Excellent. Would have loved to see the Ioniq 5 and 6 and Model Y in this too…

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  10. @catherinegrimes2308 Avatar
    @catherinegrimes2308

    The BYDs may not have done that well because of the temperature because LFP batteries don’t perform that well in the cold. They seem to work better in places like Australia and New Zealand.

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    1. @molepatrol7529 Avatar
      @molepatrol7529

      But it was 11 degrees!

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    2. @paularthur7386 Avatar
      @paularthur7386

      NZ BYD Atto owner. Towing a trailer in 3 degree Celcius in NZ, the Atto was not at all happy.
      Only a drama for long trips. Overnight home charging means this long range test is a little less relevant.

      Reply
  11. @alancobbin Avatar
    @alancobbin

    Model 3 is still the efficiency king ,cheers guys 👍😉💪

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    1. @simonm9923 Avatar
      @simonm9923

      What I don’t understand is if the model 3 achieved 3.9 miles / kWh and that is its claimed efficiency, why did it not achieve its claimed range? Something is amiss……

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    2. @kenwise2677 Avatar
      @kenwise2677

      ​@@simonm9923You are confusing three different numbers. The claimed WLTP range infers an efficiency of about 4.9 but they fell short of that at 3.9. However their measurement of actual efficiency was the same as the car was telling them on the day.

      Similar to a claimed MPG of 30 but the trip meter says 25 and your own measurement of distance and fuel in also says 25.

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  12. @BionicRusty Avatar
    @BionicRusty

    If a car becomes restricted to 9mph, surely it should be discontinued at that point.
    You wouldn’t drive for an extra few miles on a road at that speed.

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    1. @SquintyGears Avatar
      @SquintyGears

      I think it’s a better emergency handling setup than just stopping. Because if you where looking at the range estimates you probably made a plan… So you’re probably close to a solution to charge.

      Because at those slow speeds electric cars are at their most efficient. You can realistically boost your range by consciously deciding to go at the minimum highway speed limit instead of the maximum. People don’t do this because they don’t know and electric cars aren’t mass adopted yet… But it is technically true in ICE cras too.

      So I would rather the car start limping and i can turn on 🔺blinkers rather than having to call a tow truck if i missjudged by 5 or 10 miles. In the same veine, there’s no excuse for not having a spare tire… Tesla is stupid for removing it, thank god they don’t have the apple effect on the industry and nobody is removing it to follow their trend.

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    2. @voldar70 Avatar
      @voldar70

      If you have to chose paying for a tow or to charge at a DCFC 1 mile away, I see very well the reason to continuing to drive even if it is @ 9mph.

      Reply
  13. @malvnathaniel Avatar
    @malvnathaniel

    Now I get why toyota keep saying bad stuff about EV while themself making such a bad EV. Its horrid.

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    1. @jodumas36 Avatar
      @jodumas36

      I know right. Can’t believe anyone would buy that. Some people love throwing their money out the windows for the sake of “having a Toyota”.

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    2. @andy1243ify Avatar
      @andy1243ify

      Toyota simply has been left behind on ev tech. Hence they will badmouth it.

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    3. @2810Mad Avatar
      @2810Mad

      Toyota just do their own thing and that’s hybrids and they’ve perfected them

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    4. @lesmotley6839 Avatar
      @lesmotley6839

      It’s hard to tell if toyota is not intentionally designing poor value EVs. How hard can it be to make an economical EV? This will bode poorly for toyota if they don’t lift their game and quickly.

      Reply
    5. @TJPavey Avatar
      @TJPavey

      @@2810Madif they made a better EV they could trickle that tech into their hybrids. If their hybrids were perfected as you say the EV motors should be more efficient.

      Reply
  14. @rhiantaylor3446 Avatar
    @rhiantaylor3446

    A point that your analysis highlights very well is that, if running cost is an important part of the purchasing decision, you need to get “there and back again” within your available range so that public charging is a rarity. For the Tesla, your commute needs to be comfortably less than 145 miles each way or for the Lexus RZ 450e less than 75 miles each way. Many of us will only rarely test a car’s range on a single journey but you need to plan for both directions to stay on cheap-rate charging.

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    1. @myhandlewastakenandIgaveup Avatar
      @myhandlewastakenandIgaveup

      Provided you can charge at home. If you can’t charge at home then losing half of your range due to it being cold becomes much less tenable.

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    2. @davefitzpatrick4841 Avatar
      @davefitzpatrick4841

      ​@@myhandlewastakenandIgaveupwhere did you get half your range from , yea it can be argued that you’ll loose around 1/3 of your range but 50% frankly is b/s !

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    3. @myhandlewastakenandIgaveup Avatar
      @myhandlewastakenandIgaveup

      @@davefitzpatrick4841 i owned mine a couple of years ago but turn the car on you would lose between 5 and 20 miles of range. Turn the heat on and every 1 mile of range was twice as expensive.

      They may have improved since then. I made it one winter after I moved away from being able to charge at home to not (super old house. Exorbitant cost to rewire it) before I switched back to ice.

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    4. @MyRealName Avatar
      @MyRealName

      @@davefitzpatrick4841 Because losing 1/3 is SO much better? omg

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    5. @davefitzpatrick4841 Avatar
      @davefitzpatrick4841

      @@MyRealName that’s worse case , Tesla model 3 is still capable of 293 miles in winter, probably longer than your bladder needs to be emptied !

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  15. @marvinsamuels1237 Avatar
    @marvinsamuels1237

    A very informative and useful test.
    I feel there is so much focus on the maximum range of an EV that the efficiency is often overlooked.
    With ICE cars, the focus is usually on mpg or l/100km and there is no mention of the range, yet that still impacts when you need to stop to fill up.

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  16. @malph9216 Avatar
    @malph9216

    I’d be interested to know how much charge needed to be topped up after being stood outside overnight.

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  17. @sonofagun1037 Avatar
    @sonofagun1037

    Ah the Jeep Avenger. Awarded car of the year before there were even pre-production test units. There definitely wasn’t any back-door dealings there. Pinnacle of quality

    Reply
  18. @connergrim7913 Avatar
    @connergrim7913

    Nice to see documenting range in both the summer and winter! Honestly as someone from the States most of these cars are irrelevant, but would have liked to see other cars.

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  19. @tubelessrim Avatar
    @tubelessrim

    A very interesting and useful test, thanks from a viewer in Ireland that will have these cars available here also.
    One factor that isn’t mentioned and I think should be factored in for all car test, not just EVs, is the car’s weight.
    Weight is such an important factor on so many levels:

    1. Running efficiency – the heavier the car, the less efficient it is
    2. Charging time – heavier cars tend to need larger batteries
    3. Pedestrian safety on impact
    4. General environmental impact – due to amount of materials used to build the car
    5. Local environmental impact – heavier cars will have higher amounts of tyre and break pollution and we are all discovering just how dangerous these types of pollution really are

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  20. @UloPe Avatar
    @UloPe

    That intercut “dialogue” between the two presenters was really slickly done

    Reply

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